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Houston as a dstination for FA's

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  1. steelbtexan

    steelbtexan Hall of Fame

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    Obviously Houston isn't a FA destination.

    What are you guys thoughts on what can be done to make the Texans org an attractive place for FA's to want to play for and why dont they currently want to play in Houston?

    Thoughts
     
  2. JB

    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    I think this is really over-blown. It's not a one-way street. Players that the Texans (the FO, not the fans) want, have to want to come here at value to both. Thank the LORD ALMIGHTY that fan's don't run the Texans FO
     
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  3. steelbtexan

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    Why,

    The Texans org hasn't been sucessful, so what would it really matter if fans ran the org. I could make a case fans could've done a better job.

    BTW, the question I asked is why dont FA's want to come here? You know, the ones they FO says they really want but finished 2nd as a choice for FA's.

    You didn't answer that question.
     
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  4. powda

    powda Do not disturb my circles!

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    Looks like we set a "competative" contract value on every player and will not deviate no matter what (nate s being the only real exception that comes to mind) So if we're not going to outbid other teams, we need something to lure in free agents.

    As much as I and others have despised the free agent coma, it does ultimately take two to tango.

    What do we have to offer? Houston is no great vacation mecca. This is an average location with average owners, coaching, talent ,and history. Couple that with questions about ob's job security. He's well past the honeymoon stage ,and 1 subpar season away from being gone.

    We have no income tax and that's really the only major perk I can think of that should appeal to every free agent.

    I don't know if it's a contributing factor, but I can't help but wonder outloud if the McNair v. Duane Brown fiasco is completely forgotten. Certainly didn't paint a pretty picture.

    All that aside, there is something I think a lot of us overlook: our sales team. I'm not talking about merchandise. I'm talking about the guys who meet a prospective free agent at the airport, walk him around the facility, wine and dine him, and give him our pitch on why he should come here. Make no mistake, every team does it, but they're not all equal in this regard. Is our pitch and personnel just not good at it? Do we have a guy in that process that can sale ice to an eskimo?

    We can pick all the right talent in free agency and offer solid contracts, but if we can't convince them why they belong here none of it means sh*t.

    Obviously, this isn't something we read about often so I have no real idea if this is even the issue - but I wonder.

    As it stands now, we better have a good draft.
     
  5. steelbtexan

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    I think you might be on to something.

    This is the kind of discussion I'm hoping this thread spurs.
     
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  6. xtruroyaltyx

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    I don't think that the Texans are NOT a fa destination.

    There aren't many teams where fa's go to and take less than market value. Maybe only the pats....sometimes.
     
  7. ArlingtonTexan

    ArlingtonTexan Moderator Staff Member

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    The perception that I have been able to gather is that players think Houston as a city is cool enough, the Texans administration and facilities are professional enough, and there is nothing "wrong" with coaching etc...The problem is just as there is "nothing wrong " or you could "do worse than the Texans" there is nothing about the organization that excites anyone either... name. color scheme, overall history, the true chance at being great etc. that excites someone beyond the obvious motivators: money. playing time, the possibility of winning,..Not an accident that Houston is rarely just eliminated, but seemingly doesn't have players jumping at the chance to play for the Texans.

    to answer what needs to change: becoming a consistent winner. The corporate feel and structure of the Texans comes from the McNairs. Nothing that I have seen from Cal indicates that he has the willingness nor personality to change the methodology. the fact we have seen repeatedly that BOB and Gaine have talked team building and philosophy over the last two off-seasons leads me to believe that they are safe for a good while. the only thing that can change is on the field success.
     
  8. TripleTap

    TripleTap Dead Wood

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    Houston is now and has always been a 3rd or 4th tier NFL operation, save perhaps in the old AFL time. No one seems to take Houston seriously, even when it's putting in a (rare?) playoff season. The cowboys ARE Texas for the NFL (I know, I hate this, too, have always hated it, and I've been following Houston AFL/NFL teams since Jeppesen Stadium days). The only way I see to change the dynamic is to hire big name synonymous with excellent NFL football head coach and GM, and rebuild the franchise with those folks in control. Assuming they deliver on the promise the Texans could become the Steelers equivalent, a serious NFL football team. Right now, the Texans are almost a joke in the league, a constant non-finisher, a 3rd runner up, a backwater team with little prospect of making a run at the big teams. And that is why nobody wants to come here. We're a semi-pro boxer who gets beat down every time it counts.
     
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  9. KA4Texan

    KA4Texan Clueless Wonder

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    Almost? I'd say they ARE a joke in the NFL

    Even after a 9 w streak and a 11-5 season, several AFCs champs.... nobody takes us seriously or fears us if they see us coming in the playoffs, unless they are the Bengals.

    We ARE the Rodney Dangerfield of the NFL.
     
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    Teams want players who play, make plays, & help you win.

    Players want teams who put them in position to win.

    However, FA doesn't always have players that are exceptionally good. Desperate teams (like the Giants & Raiders) will panic & drastically overpay average players. Do that too many times & we'll be the team Kubiak took over again. Signing players looking for their last big paycheck. Never live up to said contract but are safe as long as the guaranteed money makes it prohibitive to cut them.

    The fact that the Texans substantially bid on Solder, Trent Brown, & signed Kalil more than anyone believe he warrants, suggest the Texans opinion of these guys are much higher than mine.

    Still, just like players need to hit on the risks they take substantially more often than not to make them desirable, teams need to hit substantially more often than not on organizational decisions to become a FA destination.

    But like their isn't always a market of worthy FAs, there isn't always destination teams bidding for your services. So they go to the highest bidder.

    My position, as far as Houston not being a FA destination is just that. Unless we overbid the other guy, we won't get him. Hopefully the "moves" we've made the last two seasons will hit & we'll continue to hit on our organizational decisions in the future. & we'll be a team that could pass on a talent like Randy Moss one year, still win, then pick him up & revive his career three years later when nobody wants him.
     
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    I know it's more too it but again I will say a winning culture will attract big free agents. The Rockets and Astros can attest to that.

    A solid game plan can help you bring in top notch free agents as well. Right now the Texans do not have that in place IMO. (Offense). Now on defense Coach RC knows exactly what he wants to do. That's why he's able to acquire talent either through the draft or free agency.
     
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    So far the only reasons for Not being a good destination is reputation. The things that matter are not "Well they have been rotten for a long time and they have never won". -- The players care about one thing, Money. Texas has no state income tax and prices are low here. You can get twice the house than up north. It is a warm weather city, that also is a plus. I just don't see that it is a bad place to play.
     
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    Thorn Dirty Old Man

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    Texans ownership isn't that great, the folks who run the football operations aren't either, and from there on down to the last person on the coaching staff it's all the same. This isn't unlike other teams, FAs know this. And who knows what's goes through FAs heads when testing the waters, but you can be sure if they see green their eyes light up. Other than that, I'm not sure how we're a whole lot different in FA eyes that a lot of other teams.

    I mean, why on earth would you want to go to Arizona unless it's for the money? But it happens.
     
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    U love Arizona

    Not for every player but for most it comes down to money.
     
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    Do you mean Houston? Or the Texans? And please name the FAs we lost out on that we gave similar contracts to? The only person I can think of is Nate Solder.
     
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    Do those that took less money to come count?
     
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    Then what's the point of the thread? The Texans simply haven't valued players as highly as other teams. All it takes is one team being stupid, trying to burn cap, not being in position to draft, etc. to get outbid with dumb money.
     
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    Both

    The reason I asked is because they've lost out 2 yrs in a row.

    Other than JoJo, Os the Texans have never even tried to bring in top FA's.
     
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    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    That's not necessarily a bad thing for a very young franchise

    And they have tried... just not to the over-pay level YOU want
     
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    Why even post in this thread.

    We've had some great points made in this thread.

    Unfortunately this isn't one of them.

    Dumb $$$$ what's dumb $$$$? Is dumb $$$$ defined by the Texans org or is it defined by what the Texans are willing to pay? Even though he's not a FA Clowney wants to get paid like Mack and after seein Lawrence contract somebody's going o pay Clowney and it's probably not going to be the Texans.
     

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