Hoth-Boy's Top 50

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  1. Errant Hothy

    Errant Hothy Hypermediocrity

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    1. Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
    2. Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
    3. Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
    4. JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
    5. Gaines Adams DE Clemson
    6. Levi Brown OT Penn State
    7. Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
    8. LaRon Landry S LSU
    9. Amboi Okoye DT Louisville
    10. Darrelle Revis CB Pitt
    11. Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
    12. Alan Branch DT Michigan
    13. Leon Hall CB Michigan
    14. Marshawn Lynch RB California
    15. Jon Benson OLB Miami
    16. Aaron Ross CB/KR Texas
    17. Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
    18. Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
    19. Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
    20. Lawrence Timmons OLB Florida State
    21. Dwayne Bowe WR LSU
    22. Reggie Nelson FS Florida
    23. Ted Ginn, Jr. WR/KR Ohio State
    24. Greg Olsen TE Miami
    25. Michael Griffin SS Texas
    26. Paul Poluszny OLB Penn State
    27. Ryan Kalil OC Southern California
    28. Brandon Meriweather S Miami
    29. Ben Grubbs OG Auburn
    30. Justin Harrell DT Tennessee
    31. Jarvis Moss DE Florida
    32. Anthony Spencer DE/OLB Purdue
    33. Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
    34. Anthony Gonzales WR Ohio State
    35. Eric Wright CB UNLV
    36. David Harris ILB Michigan
    37. Zach Miller TE Arizona State
    38. Aaron Sears OG Tennessee
    39. Sidney Rice WR South Carolina
    40. Tanard Jackson FS Syracuse
    41. Justin Blaylock OG Texas
    42. Dwayne Jarrett WR Southern California
    43. Tony Ugoh OT Arkansas
    44. Trent Edwards QB Stanford
    45. Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame
    46. Ryan Harris OT Notre Dame
    47. Claude “Turk” McBride DT Tennessee
    48. Chris Houston CB Arkansas
    49. Justin Durant ILB Hampton
    50. Brian Leonard RB/FB Rutgers


    Notes:

    Why Levi Brown ranks above Joe Thomas?
    It comes down to floor and ceiling. Joe Thomas’ floor is Robert Gallery, an ineffective RT who needs help most of the time his ceiling is becoming a good but no elite LT. Levi Brown’s floor on the other hand is as a dominate mauling RT, while is ceiling is a Pro Bowl caliber LT, ala Jamaal Brown. Thomas will always be hampered by his short’ish arms and while he may be able to overcome his lack of a great base it’ll take a while; while Brown’s faults all appear to be technique based which means a good coach can correct them.

    Why Brady Quinn ranks above JaMarcus Russell?
    Same as above, it’s a floor and ceiling issue. Russell’s ceiling is as high as anybody’s in this draft, and his floor might be just as low as his ceiling is high. Showing up to the combine looking “doughy” to the combine shows a poor attitude or a whole lot of immaturity. Quinn’s floor is probably as an effective, not great NFL QB; his ceiling maybe as a playoff winning QB (which is nowhere as good as Russell’s ceiling).

    Chris Houston:
    I think he’s an Ahamad Carroll clone, somebody whose physical game will lead to a bunch of penalties or a bunch of toast sessions as a pro. Yes he shut down quite a few good receivers, except for Sidney Rice; but the “illegal contact 5 yards from the line of scrimmage” penalty could be renamed the Chris Houston penalty.

    Sidney Rice:
    I will be cautious of any Steve Spurierr produced wide receiver till they start to succeed at the next level.


    This is my first crack at a top 50, so I'll take comments of any kind.
     
  2. Porky

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    Interesting analysis of Joe Thomas. After can't miss Robert Gallery, your point about him cannot be taken lightly. But, I would still take Thomas over Brown at this point simply due to the consenus of professional scouts opinions.
     
  3. Lucky

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    I see you've bought into the anti-Jarrett hype. I still think he's the best WR in the draft not named Calvin Johnson.

    Jason Hill out of Washington State is as talented and accomplished as any of the mid-late 1st round WRs being touted.

    Josh Wilson and Marcus McCauley could be immediate starters at CB or nickel back. Wilson is also an excellent KR.

    I still think Kevin Kolb is the #3 QB in the draft. Look for the team that doesn't get Brady Quinn (Cleveland or Miami) to take Kolb in the 2nd.

    Tim Crowder has a lot of value in this draft. He can play either DE spot, and is an every down lineman.
     
  4. Errant Hothy

    Errant Hothy Hypermediocrity

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    My comments in bold, new list below:
    1. Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech
    2. Adrian Peterson RB Oklahoma
    3. Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
    4. JaMarcus Russell QB LSU
    5. Gaines Adams DE Clemson
    6. Levi Brown OT Penn State
    7. Joe Thomas OT Wisconsin
    8. LaRon Landry S LSU
    9. Amboi Okoye DT Louisville
    10. Darrelle Revis CB Pitt
    11. Patrick Willis ILB Mississippi
    12. Alan Branch DT Michigan
    13. Leon Hall CB Michigan
    14. Marshawn Lynch RB California
    15. Jon Benson OLB Miami
    16. Aaron Ross CB/KR Texas
    17. Jamaal Anderson DE Arkansas
    18. Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
    19. Robert Meachem WR Tennessee
    20. Lawrence Timmons OLB Florida State
    21. Dwayne Bowe WR LSU
    22. Reggie Nelson FS Florida
    23. Ted Ginn, Jr. WR/KR Ohio State
    24. Greg Olsen TE Miami
    25. Michael Griffin SS Texas
    26. Paul Poluszny OLB Penn State
    27. Ryan Kalil OC Southern California
    28. Brandon Meriweather S Miami
    29. Ben Grubbs OG Auburn
    30. Justin Harrell DT Tennessee
    31. Jarvis Moss DE Florida
    32. Anthony Spencer DE/OLB Purdue
    33. Joe Staley OT Central Michigan
    34. Anthony Gonzales WR Ohio State
    35. Eric Wright CB UNLV
    36. David Harris ILB Michigan
    37. Zach Miller TE Arizona State
    38. Aaron Sears OG Tennessee
    39. Sidney Rice WR South Carolina
    40. Tanard Jackson FS Syracuse
    41. Justin Blaylock OG Texas
    42. Dwayne Jarrett WR Southern California
    43. Tony Ugoh OT Arkansas
    44. Trent Edwards QB Stanford
    45. Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame
    46. Ryan Harris OT Notre Dame
    47. Tim Crowder DE Texas
    48. Claude “Turk” McBride DT Tennessee
    49. Chris Houston CB Arkansas
    50. Justin Durant ILB Hampton
     
  5. Porky

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    I'm with the crowd on Jarrett, but I like your other takes.

    I watched some film on Jarrett, and while I usually think straight line speed is sometimes over-rated, they pointed out that he is somewhat slow out of his breaks and so forth. You could see that on film. I just don't know how well he will separate against good NFL corners. I wouldn't touch him in round one myself.
     
  6. Lucky

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    I've heard that criticism before. But really, how much separation does any WR get in the NFL? AJ doesn't even get a lot of separation, and he's a college sprint champion.

    Eventually, WRs have to make catches in traffic with defenders hanging off them. No WR prospect does that better than Dwayne Jarrett. Not even Calvin Johnson.
     
  7. Errant Hothy

    Errant Hothy Hypermediocrity

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    But AJ got seperation in college. I think Jarrett relies on his body to much to help him make the play in traffic; yet Chris Houston punked him at the line all during the USC/Arkansas game, which implies to me that while he's big he does not play that big or tough. Could Jarrett be good? Yes, but I think he could also bust fairly easy.
     
  8. MorKnolle

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    I hope you don't mind me piggy-backing on your thread, but I'll post my top-50 list here rather than starting a new thread for it (heights are accurate to within a half inch of what they measured at the Combine for simplicity, weights are what they weighed at Combine, 40 times are what they ran at Combine unless otherwise noted as their 40 time from their Pro Day, and bench press reps for applicable positions are from the Combine or Pro Day).:

    1. Calvin Johnson (WR, Georgia Tech - 6'5", 239 lbs, 4.35)
    2. Adrian Peterson (RB, Oklahoma - 6'1.5", 217 lbs, 4.40)
    3. Joe Thomas (OT, Wisconsin - 6'6.5", 311 lbs, 4.92, 28 bench press reps)
    4. Brady Quinn (QB, Notre Dame - 6'3.5", 232 lbs, 4.77 (at Pro Day))
    5. JaMarcus Russell (QB, LSU - 6'5.5", 265 lbs, 4.83 (at Pro Day))
    6. Jamaal Anderson (DE, Arkansas - 6'5.5", 288 lbs, 4.77 (at Pro Day), 22 bench press reps)
    7. Gaines Adams (DE, Clemson - 6"4.5", 258 lbs, 4.64, 21 bench press reps)
    8. Amobi Okoye (DT, Louisville - 6'2", 302 lbs, 5.06 (4.88 at Pro Day), 29 bench press reps)
    9. Patrick Willis (LB, Mississippi - 6'1", 242 lbs, 4.51 (4.37 at Pro Day), 22 bench press reps)
    10. Laron Landry (S, LSU - 6'0.5", 213 lbs, 4.35)
    11. Levi Brown (OT, Penn St. - 6'5.5", 323 lbs, 5.39, 31 bench press reps)
    12. Leon Hall (CB, Michigan - 5'11", 193 lbs, 4.39)
    13. Darrelle Revis (CB, Pittsburgh - 5'11.5", 204 lbs, 4.40 (at Pro Day))
    14. Reggie Nelson (S, Florida - 5'11.5", 198 lbs, 4.48 (4.35 at Pro Day))
    15. Adam Carriker (DE, Nebraska - 6'6", 296 lbs, 4.90 (4.72 at Pro Day), 33 bench press reps)
    16. Chris Houston (CB, Arkansas - 5'10", 185 lbs, 4.32)
    17. Alan Branch (DT, Michigan - 6'5.5", 324 lbs, 5.07, 33 bench press reps)
    18. Jarvis Moss (DE/LB, Florida - 6'6.5", 250 lbs, 4.70, 16 bench press reps)
    19. Greg Olsen (TE, Miami - 6'6", 254 lbs, 4.51, 23 bench press reps)
    20. Robert Meachem (WR, Tennessee - 6'2", 214 lbs, 4.39)
    21. Ted Ginn (WR, Ohio St. - 5'11", 178 lbs, 4.38 (at Pro Day))
    22. Lawrence Timmons (LB, Florida St. - 6'1", 234 lbs, 4.66, 25 bench press reps)
    23. Marshawn Lynch (RB, California - 5'11", 215 lbs, 4.46)
    24. Dwayne Jarrett (WR, USC - 6'4", 219 lbs, 4.64 (at Pro Day))
    25. Brandon Meriweather (S/CB, Miami - 5'10.5", 195 lbs, 4.47)
    26. Ben Grubbs (OG, Auburn - 6'2.5", 311 lbs, 5.18 (5.10 at Pro Day), 35 bench press reps)
    27. Jon Beason (LB, Miami - 6'0", 237 lbs, 4.72, 19 bench press reps)
    28. Paul Posluszny (LB, Penn St. - 6'1.5", 238 lbs, 4.70 (4.60 at Pro Day), 22 bench press reps)
    29. Anthony Spencer (DE/LB, Purdue - 6'3", 261 lbs, 4.70, 30 bench press reps)
    30. Ryan Kalil (OC, USC - 6'2.5", 299 lbs, 4.96, 34 bench press reps)
    31. Dwayne Bowe (WR, LSU - 6'2", 221 lbs, 4.51 (4.44 at Pro Day))
    32. Joe Staley (OT, Central Michigan - 6'6", 306 lbs, 4.82 (at Pro Day), 27 bench press reps)
    33. Charles Johnson (DE, Georgia - 6'2", 270 lbs, 4.84 (4.78 at Pro Day), 33 bench press reps)
    34. Sidney Rice (WR, South Carolina - 6'3.5", 200 lbs, 4.51)
    35. Aaron Ross (CB, Texas - 6'0.5", 193 lbs, 4.44)
    36. Michael Griffin (S, Texas - 5'11.5", 202 lbs, 4.45 (4.40 at Pro Day))
    37. Justin Blalock (OG/T, Texas - 6'3", 320 lbs, 5.10, 40 bench press reps)
    38. Anthony Gonzalez (WR, Ohio St. - 6'0", 193 lbs, 4.44)
    39. Arron Sears (OT/G, Tennessee - 6'3", 319 lbs, 5.15 (at Pro Day), 21 bench press reps)
    40. Justin Harrell (DT, Tennessee - 6'4.5", 300 lbs, 5.04, 31 bench press reps)
    41. Victor Abiamiri (DE, Notre Dame - 6'4", 267 lbs, 4.80, 25 bench press reps)
    42. Josh Beekman (OG/C, Auburn - 6'1.5", 313 lbs, 5.36, 24 bench press reps)
    43. Tank Tyler (DT, North Carolina St. - 6'2", 306 lbs, 5.24 (at Pro Day), 42 bench press reps)
    44. David Harris (LB, Michigan - 6'2", 243 lbs, 4.59, 23 bench press reps)
    45. Drew Stanton (QB, Michigan St. - 6'3", 226 lbs, 4.75)
    46. Tony Ugoh (OT, Arkansas - 6'5", 301 lbs, 5.06, 32 bench press reps)
    47. Trent Edwards (QB, Stanford - 6'4", 231 lbs, 4.76)
    48. Marcus McCauley (CB, Fresno St. - 6'0.5", 203 lbs, 4.39)
    49. Eric Wright (CB, UNLV - 5'10.5", 192 lbs, 4.36)
    50. LaMarr Woodley (DE/LB, Michigan - 6'1.5", 266 lbs, 4.79 (at Pro Day), 29 bench press reps)
     


  9. Errant Hothy

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    To make us all feel inferior, Gosselin's top 50 :D :
    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/042707dnspotop100.24f9573.html

     
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    What I'm finding out is that there are an awful lot of very differing opinions on the quality of the top three tackles. Some people have Staley right up there with Thomas, some have Levi better than the other two, some have Levi and Staley up around the twenties, some have all three in the top ten.

    Just insane.
     

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