HOFamer Jim Brown rips Browns top pick Trent Richardson ("an average running back")

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  1. IDEXAN

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    In recent years, Joe Namath has held the title of not just the New York Jets' most famous player, but also their most publicized critic.

    We're now seeing Jim Brown, who sounded off on the Cleveland Browns this week, take a similar course.
    Brown reiterated his belief -- first documented the day of the 2012 NFL Draft -- that Trent Richardson, chosen with the third overall pick, is an average running back. He later took aim at Browns president Mike Holmgren.

    "When you think of greatness and the great backs, they all had some individual traits that you can identify -- quickness, balance, power, speed," Brown told ESPNCleveland.com on Wednesday night. "I think the kid is a good working back, and if you've got everything else around him he can play his role. But when it comes to 'outstanding,' I don't see anything outstanding about him.

    "It's not said in a cruel manner. He's very efficient, and that's what you
    want."
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...-richardson-browns?module=HP11_content_stream
     
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    Brown has a serious case of sour grapes. He hates Holmgren and is on very bad terms with the Browns organization. it's pretty embarrassing for Cleveland fans.
     
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    What's his beef with the Browns/Holmgren about ?
     
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    Jim Brown was some sort of special advisor (think Bagwell with the Astros) and Holmgren relieved (think fired) Brown from that position.
     
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    That might be the single greatest piece of writing I've seen from a professional athlete.

    I'm highly impressed.

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    Being a Cleveland Browns fan is embarrassing for Cleveland Browns fans.
     
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    Sour grapes or not I agree with his take on Richardson and I said as much before the draft.

    He doesn't suck, but I don't see special when I watch him play.
     


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    If Brown has a beef with Holmgrem, he needs to take it up with Holmgrem...

    Not use TR, who's a nice young man, an a go between whipping boy. Kinda chickensh!t.

    And I disagree with Mr. Brown. I think TR had a chance to be special.
     
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    If y'all can prove this is some kind of petty thing with Holmgren fine. Fact is he may have a problem with Holmgren and still honestly believe TR isn't special. This is Jim freaking Brown - a guy who would appear in any top 5 RB's of all time list. He knows a little something about the position. H

    He is kind of stating the obvious and he had a unique running style. This comment has nothing to do with Holmgren and is absolutely true:

    Barry had quickness and speed. Emmitt had balance and power (and short space quickness). For an analogy currently in the league I would say he thinks TR will be a Matt Forte - a very serviceable, highly productive RB but not a star.
     
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    It's interesting that you bring up Emmitt Smith, because Brown doesn't believe he was special.

    I'm not understanding Brown's criticism of the pick. Is Richardson the next Sayers, Payton, or Dickerson? Probably not. But Sayers, Payton, nor Dickerson were not in this draft. Richardson was, and was the best offensive player available. And Richardson is a better player and prospect than any WR in this draft.

    I would compare Richardson favorably to Maurice Jones-Drew. A complete back with the ability to make big plays. I don't know how anyone (even the greatest RB who ever played) could look at Richardson's resume and not believe he will have success in the NFL.
     
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    I wasn't commenting on the merits of the comments on TR. Frankly I haven't watched him enough. I obviously disagree with the comments about Emmitt (another RB like Brown I think should be in the conversation for top 5 ever). But doesn't that kind of demonstrate Brown has his own opinion of RB's rather than he is just being sour grapes to the Browns?
     
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    Do you think Brown would have commented on Richardson if he had been drafted by Tampa Bay? I don't know. Would he have made the opinions known if still employed by the Browns? Don't know. But it's not a big reach to suggest that Brown has gone out of his way to disparage the selection of Richardson, and thereby criticize Mike Holmgren.

    I think Brown has done that, and it's just over the top by Brown to assert that unless a RB is HOF level, he shouldn't be a high draft choice. I don't know if Arian Foster will ever make the HOF and be an all time great. But I would have taken him with the 3rd pick in this draft.
     
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    I don't think Brown was being critical of TR at all. When I read what he said it sounds like he thinks TR is just a guy, he was taken too high, and gave reasons for his opinion.

    Brown is a HOF'er running back and one of the greatest running backs this game will ever see. A reporter asked for his opinion about a RB that his former team had just drafted and Brown gave it.

    I will disagree with Brown about Smith, what had that was special was his tenacity and toughness. (Breaking his arm during a game and continuing to play comes to mind)
     
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    Neither do I. I am just saying his willingness to criticize the league's all time leading rusher (who had no association with the Browns or Holmgren) shows he'll criticize anyone he wants - rookie or Hall of Famer.
     
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    Sometimes you know you're right and it's still maybe better to shut up. :kitten:

    Of those things I have an opinion about, which I don't know this TR guy from Adam, I don't disagree with anything I've heard of Brown ever saying regarding RBs. Earl Campbell, for instance, over Emmitt Smith? Yeah, I'll go with Earl every time. Payton, Sanders? Yeah. Heck, I might take Tony Dorsett over Emmit, but that might be my childhood fanaticism talking. I do also agree that Emmit was a warrior and deserves respect.

    But, I'm just a poster on message board, people don't get all up in arms about everything I say, and I don't have to worry about it. Unlike Brown, I just have to keep my mouth shut when I'm actually at work.

    PS-I wonder if he'll ever get around to some comment (good or bad) about Foster.
     
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    I really disagree with the notion that everything out of Jim Brown's mouth is gold. Brown once called Maurice Clarett "fantastically talented". Really? I would take Trent Richardson over Maurice Clarett in every aspect, other than felony convictions.

    I believe Brown was the greatest runner the NFL has ever seen. But that doesn't make him the final word on who is a good RB. Joe Montana was the greatest QB I've ever seen. But, he sucked at analyzing the sport he dominated. Sucked hard. Performing and analyzing are two different skills.
     
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    Totally agree here. I also would pencil Brown in as the greatest runner but that doesn't mean he can evaluate RB's flawlessly. I will listen to him but that doesn't make his word golden.
     
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    So, to totally take this thread into a tangent, I just don't buy it. When I watch old footage of Jim Brown (he was before my time), I see special, but I don't see SPECIAL. What I remember of Earl from when I was younger, and reinforced by video that is still out there of him, I see SPECIAL. That man did things that I don't think anyone will ever do again. And before anyone brings it up, yes I recognize the longevity argument. Earl was quality over quantity. I have never seen footage of another RB that impresses me as much as Earl's game. He had dancer's feet, defensive back speed, unparalleled balance, and the power of a Mack truck. If longevity is your measuring stick, then fine, I give you that. But no one played RB like Earl.

    Jim Brown footage

    Earl footage

    Watch for yourself. And note how many times you see Earl facing what was arguably the greatest defense in the history of the NFL, the Steel Curtain.
     
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    Ironically it is kind of what Brown was talking about. You need something which makes you special. It isn't always the same thing. Earl was a bull and that is real exciting to see. I think pure bull and pure dancer RB's get more kind of highlight credit. I guess at the ends of the spectrum you could put Earl and Barry.

    As to Brown, he had a size, power, speed and agility which were unknown in his time.
     

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