Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by J-Russ, Sep 26, 2008.
Bob McNair has repeatedly said how much he admires the stability in the Steelers organization.
I would prefer that over an owner like Dan Snyder or some knowitall sort of owner who continuously overrules the football peoples.
Yeah - and people should also look at Dan Snyder as an example of what happens when you blow tons of money on big-name free agents.
Or Al Davis, who has first-hand experience of building Rome in, well, not a day.
I have to say that I think McClain is right on this one. You have to give a coach some time to fully implement his style of play and how he wants the team to play. Then, you have to factor in all the variables that come into play, like drafting, FA, your OC and DC coaching styles, what shape the team was in when you were hired, your GM, your Owner (does he mettle?),etc.,etc... I guess what I'm trying to say is, that sometimes the journey is long and difficult.
I still believe Kubes will turn this around and have a winning season this year, but if he doesn't, I'm still going to support him and the team. Call me a blind homer if you want, but I still think Kubes is the right man for the job and he will bring a championship to Houston. JMHO!
McClain wrote that piece ?! You gotta be kidding me .... For once he wrote something that makes sense ?! .... I'd still like McClain fired for doing such a crappy job and holding VY's sausage way too much.
I remember when Fisher took over , he did look to be in over his head , as has Kubiak on many an occasion .... Fisher is now one of the best in the game .... I'm ok with giving Kubiak more time to sink or swim .... as long as he is learning from his mistakes rather than repeating them.
(I know I know , HWWNBM & Schaub)
Great article. Rep!
How many coaches that start out of the box 14-20 end up like Fischer? Probably not many.
This comparison at this point is meaningless because I could probably find more guys that failed after this point (starting out 14-20) than succeeded.
Time will tell, but please spare these type of comparisons.
This comparison is like Hulk75 comparing Carr's Texans career to Plunkett's first stage in his NFL career.
Exactly, their have been a hell of a lot more coaches that failed miserably around this point and record number than ones that had careers like Fisher.
Yeah but when you combine that with the "success" Kubiak has had with taking us from a crap 2-14 team to a 7-9 team to an 8-8 team he is showing signs that he is a good coach. Do we know FOR CERTAIN that he is? No of course not. But he is still a "rookie" head coach in that he has always been an assistant. Now he is having to learn what it takes to be a head coach and the kinds of decisions that need to be made. He is experiencing some growing pains. Time will tell.
Agreed. Hopefully he gets it together.
Fixed it for ya!
I am convinced that fischer is overrated. He has an overall record a little over .500 and has made only one superbowl. His best years are when Steve mcNair was a top 10 QB. 2007 was the only year when he did not have a quality QB that he took a team to the playoffs. His bottom line (wins, losses, playoff, superbowls)is not as good as his reputation.
A coach that has been when an organization for as long as fischer should not been working with inferior talent. he should either have direct personnel say or have people in place who understand what he wants. If he Is working with less talent that one is him at this point.
Kubiak isnt going anywhere but if we keep losing games people will be calling for players and staff heads and thats a guranteed fact
Maybe so, but you should tranch his overall record. Meaning don't hold the first 3 season against him because the team was completely rebuilding and planning to leave town.
Recently as few years ago, the team was completely gutted and now they are very competitive. Add in being in the same division as the Colts, and also competing against the Charges and Patriots, it's been a tough road for every team in the AFC. Maybe in the NFC, the Titans would have been a lot better record wise.
Not arguing your wrong, just providing some perspective on your analysis. Maybe your right...
So youre saying hes going to hire Cower?
Oh, OK. I will shut up now.
Or, I can think for myself and see that Fisher is a better HC than Kubiak. Comparing them to each other, based on them having (GASP!) the same record at the same point in their respective careers is complete horse hockey.
Here's an interesting factoid: 911 is used to dial an operator and report an emergency. And, did you know that a MAJOR emergency happened on 9-11 in America? Wow! Now, I'd say that we need to analyze this and we'd clearly see that the two are connected.
Kubiak DOESN'T learn from his mistakes, a point nobody is mentioning. We still do the same things: Try the same plays at the same down & distance situations that we always do ; Make virtually no "real" half-time adjustments ; Virtually never use the TE in each game...and by the time we DO use the TE, it's too late to make an impact in the game--When the TE should be used all game long, to loosen up the LBs ; And we still stick with an ineffective QB because of what?
How many of you sit there, when the ball is about to be snapped, and you can guess with about 90% accuracy if we are running or passing? We are not a sneaky ninja, that's for sure. If us fans can see it, how much more can an opponent's d-coordinator see it?
I'm still watching Texans football, but I don't think Kubiak is the guy. Like I have been saying: He's a guy who stopped the bleeding, re-built a better "core" than what we had. But get us over the top? Pretty unlikely. Could happen, and it would mean we are winning and that'd be fine by me.
But my position stands: Kubiak is stubborn and isn't learning from the mistakes. Here's a BIG clue that he's not: He said, at the end of last year, that he'd probably think "real hard" about carrying three QBs on the roster because he said he didn't want to risk carrying two anymore. Well, he hasn't. Schaub is a ding away from being on the bench, and that leaves Sage and Owen Daniels if something happened to Sage in a game. That might be minor to most people here, but it's like Kubiak shows signs of "getting it" and then it drifts away. Which, I think points to the coach-speak issue that he has. Kubiak would make an excellent college coach with how well he phrases his pressers, etc.
your right. but thats not the point. the point is its to early to tell. so we should stop complaining and making irational statements untill we give the guy time to accomplish what he's trying to do.
How long do you suggest we give him? Maybe Carr "just needed more time?" Or maybe Casserly? Or Capers? Look. The truth of the matter is that when you are losing questions will be raised about your effectiveness. It does not matter whether it is season 3 or 30; whether you are a "rookie" head coach or have won Super Bowls. If the Texans can ramble off some wins then it will be back to sunshine lollipops and rainbows. If they continue to lose people will want heads to roll.
I'm just glad we have pro football in Houston. While we ain't the best in the league, we also aren't the worst. And I've seen worse in Houston pro football long before the Texans arrived.
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