Great QB w/ good receivers or vice-versa?

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  1. disaacks3

    disaacks3 Site Contributor

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    Watching the Sb last night got me to thinking...(especially as we have Schaub)

    Is a team better off with:

    A) A GREAT QB w/ "good" receivers?......or

    B) A GOOD QB w/ "great" receivers?

    ex: Terry Bradshaw (IMHO) was definitely no GREAT QB, but he had an excellent receiving corps.
     
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    Dutchrudder COOL BEANS!

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    A. Great QB with good recievers. No question Rodgers was making the throws 75% of the time, but several key drops really hurt their drives. I can't wait to see how good they are with Jermichael Finley back next year.
     
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    Yeah, that Bradshaw wasn't very good. :rolleyes: [/sarcasm]

    It's hand in glove. Great QBs complement great WRs and visa versa.

    Andre Johnson is one of the best, but even he couldn't make HWWNBN a competent QB.
     
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    infantrycak Lead Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't think Dan meant Bradshaw wasn't good, only that he wasn't elite although his team certainly was. I agree. His pass completion % barely topped 50%, he threw as many INT's as he did TD's plus he fumbled a lot - this while playing with two Hall of Fame WR's and a Hall of Fame RB. This is all a matter of definitions to me - I'd call him very good or even great and certainly deserves to be in the Hall but I'd stop short of calling him elite.
     
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    People say the same thing about Aikman because he had Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin, Jay Novacek, and Moose Johnson. But I don't buy it. The QB still has to make plays and get the ball to those receivers. And with multiple Super Bowl championships, it takes more than just being "good" to perform consistently on the big stage.

    Back-to-back Super Bowl MVP awards? C'mon, man. That's elite, regardless of cast or team around him. The only other QB to do that in NFL history was Bart Starr.
     
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    HOU-TEX Ah, Football!

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    I'll take a great defense with good WR's and a good QB. :)
     
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    *cough*Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson*cough* Me, too. :shades:
     
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    I'm thinking a QB, in today's NFL, that I'd want under center with 2:00 to play and the game on the line. Heck, Roethlisberger's #'s are better than Bradshaw's and I'm not sure he's "one of those guys either".

    It's not to say I wouldn't want either on my team, but them OVER Elway, Montana, Kelly, Brady, Manning?


    My comparison would be something like this:

    Montana without Rice

    vs.

    Neil O'Donnell with A.J.
     
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    Montana won two Super Bowls before Rice got there. And with the way Brady won three, not a single all star in his WR corps, I'd take the elite QB every day of the week over an elite WR. Just look at our team for an example. AJ gets the ball what, about 10-12 times on a good day? QB will touch the ball every offensive snap.
     
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    Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid

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    I think a great QB can make a WR with decent talent and good hands look real good . How ... he puts the ball where it has to be on time . Of course a great Wr can bail out a QB by going up or diving for bad throws .

    Anyone remember how HWWNBN used to lead AJ on the one yard slant so he could get an extra two yards after the catch .
     
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    A great WR can make a mediocre QB look good (Culpepper to Moss) or a horrible QB look decent (Kitna and the Cowboy Corps), but can't really win you a championship

    But a great QB and good WRs can win a Super Bowl.
     
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    I think if I had to choose, I'd take a GREAT QB and good WRs. I look at Tom Brady and think he epitomizes this question. Brady, as much as most people hate him, he makes that team what it is. He brings the most out of the WRs there. Then we he gets a "great" WR like Randy Moss... game over. Look at how good he made Jabar Gaffney.

    Peyton Manning in my opinion is a Great QB. Sure he had Harrison and he has Reggie Wayne who were/are both really really really good or great WRs BUT, Manning makes the other guys looke like probowlers. Gonzalez, Jacob Tamme, Pierre Garcon. He can make a lot work with "no name" type of guys.

    Drew Brees did it with NO. Brees, IMO, is what makes those WRs look as good as they are. They aren't great wr's by any means.

    I don't think Matt Schaub is a great QB, I do think Andre is a GREAT WR. I like what we have here and really do think Schaub can "The Guy" that takes us where we need to go.
     
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    I'm not making a case for Bradshaw, but keep in mind that completion percentages in the game back then were lower because of the less-restrictive defensive penalties. Back then DBs could do all sorts of things that would result in 15+ yard penalties today.
     
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    I understand that but even in comparison to his contemporaries like Staubach, Tarkenton, etc. his completion % was low about 51% v. 57-58%.
     

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