Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by Yossarian, Oct 20, 2005.
Good article, but Pitts should have been 3 to 8, but the rest of the article was pretty right on. Other than the Zone Blocking scheme which is predominately applied to running the ball.
Analyzing the O-line is a great thing, and I agree with the basic analysis that the o-line stinks, that nothing has been done about it, and that it will probably remain that way until our new HC. However, plays were considered bad for a player if they made a penalty, which sounds good, but it makes Pitts sound like one of our worst players. He had a different position, and as harsh a critic of the o-line as I am, I believe he deserves at least a 1-game gradint curve. I agree that Pitts and Wade is a great combo, and that no matter how the Texans cut it, they need the LT. This always leads me back to Wand. He is the missing link in the line. He did a decent job last year, and if Pendry can find it in his head to put him back on the line, many of the problems will be fixed (giving the 1 - 2 game curve). I don't think it will take Wand long to get back to form, and I think he will be even better since he had a year to learn the position in '04. Overall, I liked the analysis, though.
A lot of them were making mistakes that we knew came from being "new" to that position, but I am thinking about how Pitts was moving to a position he used to play for Houston and McKinney was moving to a position he prefers to play. So I don't think they deserve much leniency. I'll give them to Cleveland to turn it around...
Quote from the article -
He states that Carr had to share some of the blame, yet he fails to mention what he did wrong. I think we all agree that Carr makes his share of mistakes, but I would have expected a bit more insight from someone who went to the trouble to analyze all this and then mention Carr's role in it. The only thing he mentions is Seattle rushing only three. Well, I doubt this guy picked up on it, but that means there are eight men covering only two to three receivers. Simple math, that.
That was a good article. Guy really put some time in analyzing each lineman. BTW-Pitts had two penalities for not lining up on the line, not one.
Makes you wonder what is going through Capers and Casserly's minds, knowing we are very weak with our offensive line and not drafting accordilngly!
bobby 119C :brickwall
yall that are reading the article and citing "rookie mistakes" and "they were out of position", did you forget that the line has looked as bad or worse the entire season? these guys just arent very good to begin with, and what little talent some of them have ... for whatever reason isnt being applied on the field. to me, they just dont look like they care. 90% of that IMO is coaching ... getting everything out of the players you have and making them want to fight 60+ minutes of every game.
that being said, where's wand? did he get benched for making capers cry during a practice? he isnt listed as injured, and he's the only thing resembling a LT we've ever had. why is pitts still on the left side? why is mckinney not only allowed to be in the nfl, but getting paid like someone who's actually good?
eriadoc ... i think he left the carr analysis off of it because he was focusing on the line. what i'm suprised that he didnt mention though is the few times they only sent 3 or 4 is that they STILL got a good rush.
"Milford Brown repeatedly struggled against the pass rush. On Houstons final drive Seattles Rocky Bernard ran right past him to sack Carr. That was pretty much par for the course. Seattles defensive tackles are all fairly quick on inside pass rushes, and Brown just wasnt ready for them. On several occasions Brown allowed rushers to get into Carrs face.
Offensive coordinator Joe Pendry, who became Houstons offensive line coach last year and took over as coordinator when Dom Capers fired Chris Palmer this season, believes in a zone-blocking scheme in which linemen block a specific area rather than a specific player. The problem, as I see it, is that too often Houston linemen just stood around doing nothing on plays when no Seattle players went into their zone. On one play, when no one came into Browns zone, he just stood there instead of looking to help one of his teammates."
I think this clearly states part of the problem and I've been eluding to it for a long time. Our players do not understand ZONE BLOCKING. It requires players to remain agressive and they simply don't know what they are doing with this scheme. I remember in the Titans game when people commented that Carr toke off on a run and people were just standing around and he got the 1st down literally on his own. Don't employ something your players can't understand and don't know how to use.
I have been posting for sometime I think the best line combo would be WAND, WIEGERT, HODGDSON, PITTS and WADE or REILLY. Unfortunately Wiegert is injured, but I still think that is the best combo and I would also say throw out the current play book and dust off the year 2 play book and go back to the old blocking technique. We might not win, but I will bet we will be a whole lot closer and the games will be a lot more exciting. As we gain confidence we might even surprise a few folks. This is ALL BECAUSE CAPRES WANTED A DENVER LIKE RUNNING GAME FOR WHICH NOT HE HAS THE PERSONNEL. HE AND PENDRY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THIS......................
Note, I would say we would try Washington at LG with injury to Wiegert, but that's because I do not like McKinny at all. How many times did Feeney get to Carr when Wand played LT? Also how many penalties did Wand get? Wand is on Pendry's list and I really don't think it has anything to do with football.
A Seattle fan summed it up in the comments section. No new revelations, just interesting hear other fans' perspectives...
My friends and I were in Seattle for this one and noticed a few things.
1. Houston has absolutely zero chemistry! We were seated behind their bench and honestly once Seattle took the lead nobody talked to each other or were trying to find ways to fix things. They looked like they were waiting to get the game over with.
2. Play Calling- The Houston offence was soooo predictable it hurt. I was calling the plays that Houston would run and (with a witness I might add) called the exact play when they scored their one TD. This is a problem, if I can predict their offense imagine what a defensive coordinator can do.
3. Carr is scared- I dont think this is his fault cause lord knows most of us would have given up by know. Scared is the wrong word, Carr knows from experience that if he doesnt throw the ball hes going to get hit, so even when the line does a good job he is really antsy to throw the ball.
4. Recievers Stink- Twice Carr threw perfect throws to his recievers on obvious option routes that they missed. Say a DB is lining up way inside on a WR, a QB will spot this and the WR is supposed to know to turn outside at about 8-10 yards. Twice Carr threw absolute rockets while the reciever (Gaffney) was just aimlessly running down the field.
Personally I dont think this can be fixed, Carr would be incredible somewhere else, the fact that he has gone this long without trying to force a trade or anything is INCREDIBLE!! They really should trade Carr to a team for a good lineman, draft another one and pick up a veteran QB and move on.
a) 3 times total in 2 games
b) 3 penalties all year
Gee, no wonder he's not playing. The standards are too high for the other players. Sorry, but this coaching staff is beyond me. I know Mr. B thought Wand had the potential and talent to be an outstanding LT. That came from assessments while tuitoring him. I have a feeling that I would respect his judgement over what we have on this coaching staff. Wand's downfall started with zone blocking. Hmmm, guess I shouldn't say that should I.............................
:brickwall The guys who run this team never cease to amaze me . I expect next week we'll find out that their all brother inlaws .
I think the coaching staff treaded water for three years and stayed fairly competetive . The offseason moves killed the team chemistry and now we're starting to see our true talent level . That includes GMs , coaches and players.
wand had no bad plays....but no good ones either
but he was dressed in regular clothes on the sideline. WHY is he not dressed?!? my goodness this is driving me up a wall as to why we cant go back to wand-pitts on the left side.
It is also hard when Carr is not allowed to audible into a pass. He can only put it into a run I think.
I do not think Pitts works with Wand and that's why I want Pitts on the Right side. Wand is on the outs with Pendry. Its amazing how far this coaching staff can take us down the road of self distruction.
ive never seen him audible to a pass. he needs to at least start faking some audibles. defenses have to know that everytime he audibles its a run.
Ibar would you not rather see Pitts at LT or a new premeire rookie and Wand at RT. I think Wand at RT would make him look really good. Plus that would let us get rid of weigert or McKinney. Eventhough I am a big fan of McKinney.
wand was a project and i would be ok if he did not work out for us in the long run, but after playing 1 season he took way too much heat and i think he should get another chance at LT or RT. he would be better than riley and pitts at LT, and better in pass protection at RT than riley or wade.
If you read the article you will find an evaluation of Pitts at tackle. The best way to put it is he is the pitts. Wand is far and away our best LT. I think he needs a working companion next to him like Wiegert. Although Washington might work. NO I DO NOT WANT PITTS NEXT TO WAND. I think Pitts is a problem and thinks he is more than he is. Pitts' agressive personality would be better served on the Right side of the line. However, Wand is in the dog house with someone, but anybody with a backbone might be with this coaching staff.
I saw this and almost spewed Dr. Pepper all over my monitor. Some good reading though. So now everyone is pointing fingers at our O-Line and not just the group, they finger point at each individual. Here is the link.
Here is a rating of the O-Linemen.
Separate names with a comma.