Grading the Texans Draft

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  1. WolverineFan

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    #20 (1) - CB Kareem Jackson, Alabama
    - Should be the starting CB opposite Glover Quin this season.
    Grade: A-
    - The only way I could grade this higher was if we got Joe Haden. CB was our biggest need and we addressed it. Enough said.

    #58 (2) - RB Ben Tate, Auburn
    - Should be the bigger, physical RB we needed that platoons with Steve Slaton.
    Grade: B+
    - I know a lot of people are upset about losing Gerhart, but Tate fits the system better. The only RB I liked better was Mathews.

    #81 (3) - DT Earl Mitchell, Arizona
    - Will probably platoon with DelJuan Robinson to spell Okoye at the 3' technique.
    Grade: B
    - Admittedly a bit of a reach but he is a good fit for the penetrating style we use and is a good combo against the run or pass.

    #102 (4) - MLB Daryl Sharpton, Miami
    - Will be a special teams player and DeMeco's primary backup
    Grade: B-
    - We needed to add LB depth so there it is.

    #118 (4) - TE Garrett Graham, Wisconsin
    - One of the top 2 TE's in this draft IMO. Gronkowski being the other. Should be the successor to Owen Daniels
    Grade: A
    - We didn't really need a TE but how can you pass up a player like this? He reminds me of Jason Witten coming out years ago.

    #144 (5) - CB Sherrick McManis, Northwestern

    - Will be a nickel or dime back unless he moves to FS.
    Grade: C+
    - Would rather a FS here but maybe this is a sign that someone is transitioning to the position from within. Molden maybe?

    #187 (6) - G Shelley Smith, Colorado State
    - We needed a lineman, but Smith was not on my list of wants. Probably nothing more than depth during his career.
    Grade: C-
    - We needed interior line, but this is not what I anticipate. Could have done better.

    #197 (6) - RB/KR Trindon Holliday, LSU
    - I'm not a proponent of wasting roster spots on return specialists.
    Grade: D-
    - Don't understand drafting a return specialist. We have a good return tandem in Davis and Jones.

    #227 (7) - WR/TE Dorin Dickerson, Pittsburgh
    - Should be a good redzone target outside with his combinations of size and athleticism.
    Grade: A-
    - We wanted to add another WR and Kubiak has expressed that this is him.

    Overall Draft Grade: B
    - Nothing sexy, but business is always. The board is going nuts right now and calling for heads, but I think it's a solid draft. Addressed most of our needs and added some impact players. I don't understand the problem.

    Best Player: Kareem Jackson
    Best Pick: Garrett Graham
    Worst Player: Shelley Smith
    Worst Pick: Trindon Holliday
     
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    I also have to add that many people have been expressing that they would like the Texans to use more of a BPA style of drafting. Then we go out and get a guy like Graham in the 4th and a guy like Dickerson in the 7th and all I see is people bitching about the fact that we drafted more TE's.

    The hypocisy of the Houston Texans fan is astounding.
     
  3. rmartin65

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    Wow. After rounds 1 and 2, we differ drastically.

    3) Mitchell was a huge reach. And I know he "fits the system", but the "system" has not shown great results. We will see.

    4) I hate this pick. Earlier than he should have been taken, slow for a WLB (both in the 40 and on film), pretty much just a blah player.

    4) Really, the second best? What about Gresham? Dickson? Hernandez? Not an A pick.

    6) Smith is a mean, athletic and explosive guard. How is that not what the Texans need?

    6) Holliday is a speed demon, that could very well become an all-pro returner. You might be the only person to dislike the pick.
     
  4. dalemurphy

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    Okay:

    2006, overall an 'A'
    1. Mario A
    2. Demeco A
    3 Spencer D (injured, unfortunately)
    3. Winston A-
    4. OD A
    5. (Eric Moulds) F
    6. Wali Lundy D-
    7. David Anderson B-

    2007, overall a "B"
    1. Okoye C-
    2. (1/2 of Matt Schaub trade) A
    3. Jac. Jones B+
    4. Fred Bennett D
    5. Brandon Frye F
    6. Kasey Studdard C
    7. Zac Diles B+

    too early to grade '08, '09, '10
     
  5. WolverineFan

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    Mitchell was graded as a mid-round prospect who we grabbed near the end of the 3rd round. Not that big of a reach. And the system got us the #10 ranked rush defense last year which was a huge improvement.

    Sharpton isn't playing WLB, he will be a MLB. He was also drafted as a special teamer and a backup. He's replacing Bentley, who's production is dwindling every year. Teams need good role players.

    Yes, the 2nd best. Can Gresham, Dickson, & Hernandez block as good as they catch? Didn't think so. Gronkowski and Graham are the two most complete TE's in this draft. Getting a guy like that in the 4th is a steal.

    Admittedly I don't know much about Smith. I was targeting other players earlier in the draft so I'll accept your take on it.

    I dislike the Holliday pick because I'm not a proponent of using draft picks on guys that only return kicks. Maybe he becomes the next Dante Hall and then I'll eat crow.
     
  6. Big Poundcake

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    I'd give the Texans a (B) overall.

    Jackson (A)

    Tate(B+)

    Sharpton (B)

    McManis (A)
     
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    Kubiak said that he thinks Sharpton can play WLB.
     
  8. Thorn

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    I think it was a good draft over all.

    If Jackson and Tate aren't starting by the 1st game though, something is wrong.

    Mitchell will see playing time though out the year, and he might even be starting some this year.

    Sharpton may very well be starting on special teams this year, but not at his LB position.

    If Graham is our starting TE this year, we got problems. But still, he's a good pick and someday he probably will be our starting TE.

    McManis won't be starting unless we got huge problems. meh on this pick.

    Smith is a backup for now. He could turn into something someday, but again, hopefully we don't need him to start.

    Holliday either is our starting return specialist or he is probably out the door. He's to small to do anything else, and if he can't be returning balls, he's taking up a spot on the roster we need for something else.

    Dickerson is a future starting WR, but not anytime soon.
     


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    My assessment:

    1. Kareem Jackson, great size and speed, physicality, lots of playing experience, big school SEC experience. A

    2. Ben Tate, downhill RB who runs with power and speed, very productive in 4 different Offensive schemes, low mileage, no injury history, good blocker and pass catcher. A

    3. Earl Mitchell, undersized DT who's got speed but lacks size and doesn't have the height to really add much more weight and still be effective. I felt he was a reach and is projected as a backup. I felt we should have still been looking for starters in the 3rd round with a draft as deep as this one. I'd rather have a starting O-lineman instead of a backup DT. I think Kubiak made up his mind a long time ago to go after Shelley Smith at OG and once he did he overlooked all other players who might have been better. He got tunnel vision on Shelley Smith. Mitchell might not be bad but the pick could have been used better. C

    3B. The trade. I'd rather have a good 3rd round pick from a very deep draft than an extra 4th and 5th rounder. Again we could have possibly gotten a starter at OG/C or FS or even another DT or quality CB.

    4. Darryl Sharpton, kinda small for a MLB and we've already got good depth at LB with Bentley and Adibi. Again I'd rather see a need filled at OG/C, FS, OT, SS depth. He might not be a bad player, time will tell, but we've got bigger holes than backup LB that need to be filled and the pick could have been used better. C

    4. Garrett Graham, wasted pick we've already got to many TE. I understand several are injured but they're healing and rehabing and we've got a probowler and quality depth. Completely wasted pick. D

    5. Sherrick McManis, I don't know anything about him but I like the extra CB pick, added depth at CB is always a good thing. I think he makes either Bennett or Molden expendable, which is a good thing as well. B

    6. Shelley Smith, he's got good size and speed and he's actually got good numbers from the Combine. In the shuttle, cone, and broadjump he actually got some of the best numbers amongst OG. If he were from anywhere but CSU Texans fans probably wouldn't hesitate to jump on his bandwagon. I haven't seen him play but it is a position of need and I really hope that he can contribute early though I'd like to see him add about 10-15 lbs. without losing his speed and agility. I just wish OG had been addressed earlier in the draft than the 6th round. There was some good talent available to us that we passed on. Again I think Kubiak got tunnel vision on Smith a long time ago and made up his mind that was his guy and thus overlooked other better players. C

    6. Trindon Holliday, I like this pick because he's got great speed and return skills and he most likely makes Andre Davis and his retarded contract expendable thus freeing up some money to hopefully go after a FA at OG/C, CB, FS, or DT. A

    7. Dorin Dickerson, small TE that will be playing WR, he's got some skill and speed. As I understand it he was good value here as well. Developmental player but he probably fills Andre Davis WR slot. A

    I give this draft a C but only time will tell for sure. If they had addressed OG/C earlier and FS when there were quality players available instead of more TE then this draft could have been so much better. They started out great in the 1st and 2nd rounds, the 3rd 4th and 5th rounds suck, the 6th and 7th rounds aren't to bad. Having an undersized DT and MLB aren't going to do us much good when playing those power running teams with huge O-linemen.
     
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    A I had Jackson as the 3rd CB in the draft - with Wilson and Haden (in that order ahead of him). Obviously they had them listed differently. I'll take their scouting report ahead of mine .... Solid pick.


    A+ Tate was my #1 RB for the Texans needs. Spiller may be a more explosive player but he isnt what this team needs. I didnt like Mathews and think he's pretty over rated. Gerhart would have been second on my list even with my concerns about ball security.


    C Its a need position but I dont know much about the player and there were higher rated DT's on the board. I hope he makes me eat crow.


    C Would really liked to have them take a FS or interior OL here.
    Sharpton is said to be able to play all three LB spots in the 4-3. Thats not such a bad guy to have around and he should at least contribute on ST.
    If they didnt have such a hole in the back end of the secondary this grade would be higher.


    A- With OD still in rehab mode and unsigned , Hill hurt (Joppru2?) and Dreessen recovering from surgery ..... I can see this pick. He's got a whole lot of potential .... hard to pass on him in that spot. Probably BPA.

    C Not a bad player but they spent the #1 on a CB , dont see the need for another here. Maybe they felt he was BPA.


    A+ Good player - hell of a value in the 6th round. Has a nasty streak that this OL really lacks. This guy is gonna surprise some of you.

    A+ Speed Kills. They need to find a way to get this kid the ball within the offense .... He'll change field position on KR/PR. See ya later Andre Davis.

    A+ Guy's with this kind of size and speed combination just shouldnt last until the 7th round. He'll likely earn his spot on the roster with his ST play. He's played LB , TE , WR and RB. Many had a 2nd or 3rd round grade on him. Probably takes Glenn Martinez roster spot.
    He'll present some mismatches in the redzone .... The Texans likely wont come up a yard shot very often this season if they can line up AJ , JJ , OD and this kid in a red zone package with Tate in the backfield.


    I agree , they had a real nice draft - The top two picks should start and make a real impact. The middle rounds kinda fell off a bit at least in my opinion , mainly because they didnt address OG early enough and FS at all. The bottom picks .... I cant really believe they were on the board to be honest. They got some real quality in the late rounds.

    I think Tate is best pick - moving back , gaining a pick and getting the right guy ....

    Worst pick ? probably Daryl Sharpton .... I think they could have done more to address OG and FS.
    They dont seem to think that the problems with the running game are related to C/OG as much as it does with the failure of the backs.
    I think they made this pick because they just didnt see a guy on the board who they felt was better than what they already have at those spots and picked a guy who they thought could help them at all the LB spots as well as ST.

    Overall I'm pretty satisfied with this draft and cant wait for the preseason to get underway so we can see them in action. :tiphat:
     
  11. Rey

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    It seems like a lot of fans have unrealistic expectations for these draft picks as a whole...JMO

    Odds are, some of these players will have no real impact their first or second year...or ever...

    I'm not a pessimist, but I expect atleast one of these players to have injury problems and maybe for another one to just not be that good...If we can get 3 or 4 productive contributing players from every draft and our first rounders play up to that level then I think it's a win...

    I guess that I'm saying that with us having 9 picks in this draft if some of these players don't pan out I think that the draft can still be an A.

    We took 2 players at much needed positions in Tate and Jackson that should be heavy contributers right away, and we took a bunch of guys that can play specialty roles and could possibly add something of value to this team. In a business where nothing is a sure thing I think we did an excellent job of adressing serious needs and grabing guys who bring a special skill or have shown flashes of a high level of play.

    I'm not big on grading drafts, but if I had to grade the way the Texans handled this draft I would have to give them an A for the simple fact that every single pick should make this roster more competitive and every single pick can and should challenge for a spot on this team. Really, what more can you ask for?
     
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    It seems like a solid draft, but I think its going to be about half way through the season before we really know how we did. I give it a B.
     
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    Andre Davis runs to the first tackler he can find and falls down. I'm tired of watching him poorly return kick offs. JJ is a good punt returner, but lacks the skills to return kick offs. I love the Holliday pick.
     
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    Andre Davis has very good speed but is not that explosive with change of directions. Last year's rule changes that outlawed the wedge on the kickoff had a bigger impact on him. Now, under the new rules, kickoffs are a lot more like punt returns so he's much less effective.
     
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    lol, I have to agree, anytime Im watching the game and I see Davis waiting for the ball I have to throw an F bomb because he sucks as a returner.

    :clap:
     
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    Can you explain the wedge and why it was outlawed?
     
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    Is grading the draft at this point anything more than a fancy way of saying "this is how what they did compares to what I would have done"?

    A's or F's at this point could simply mean you both would have made the same good pick / mistake.
     
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    Of course, it'll be years before a grade really takes shape but here goes:

    1. Jackson CB-A+. Biggest need, complete skill package, done, done.
    2. Tate RB A. 2nd biggest need, complete skill package, done, done.
    3. Mitchell DT C Athlete more than footballer from what I can see but with coaching should round out into some fine DT depth and push Okoye as his "replacement if you suck again this year"
    4. Sharpton LB D Least favorite. Athlete more than footballer with an unimpressive scouting report.
    4. Graham TE C+ obviously TE is overloaded and this pick doesn't help unless someone is going to miss this season. Seems like a nice player though
    5. McMannis CB C Not truly a need with Jackson slotted as a starter. Depth is just fine too, really curious how little value safety has amongst the Texans front office. This is another Smithiak CB mold. 6' 200, smaller school standout who looks like a FS but has zero chance of that ever being considered. Meh.
    6. Smith OG C Definitely not a need pick. OG depth here is just stupid and now they are reportedly looking at Faneca? Studdard, Caldwell, Brisiel, White, Smith, Smith...we're not going 6 deep at OG are we? The Kubiak connection pulls this one in so people aren't going to be thrilled about that but lets give this dude a fair shake.
    6. Holliday PR/KR A Hell of a pick. JJ you ready for WR reps? I sure hope so. Elite speed for a 6th, hard to be mad at that.
    7 Dickerson WR B Confusing at first but as a 6'1'' 220 lb-er guy who has decent WR speed he's got a shot to sit and learn, make an impact later. The Texans couldn't have been the only team checking him out as a WR. For a 7th, getting a mega athlete is not bad.

    I give it a B overall. Top 2 picks are dynamite, a few later picks are alright but geez, for now anyway the middle rounds seem like a black hole.
     
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    Sure, on kickoffs, usually 4 guys would essentially hold hands and form a "wedge" as the kickoff returner caught the ball. As the kickoff returner neared them, they beginning running downfield and blocking while attempting to maintain the integrity of the formation. The kickoff team would have a "wedge-buster", whose job it was to throw himself into the wedge and attempt to disrupt it. It was outlawed in order to reduce the risk of serious injuries.
     
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    Pretty much :cool:
     

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