Gibbs has line poised to succeed J USTICE: Line blamed for Carr's mistakes

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  1. Wolf

    Wolf 100% Texan

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    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...-USTICE:-Line-blamed-for-Carr's-mistakes-
     
  2. Honoring Earl 34

    Honoring Earl 34 Hey Koolaid

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    Yep ... RJ is kissing some serious butt these days .
     
  3. euro-Texan

    euro-Texan All Pro

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    I can't stomach that guys articles after the first three sentences. I just can't, especially when it's about football. Not just Justice either, hell when they started rolling out the "Bud Adams wasn't that bad because he started the AFL" videos, i've pretty much limited my Chron reading to Texan Chick blog posts.
     
  4. Wolf

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    yes he is, I usually don't read his stuff

    he has dickism quote on another thread about the Texans
    http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2009/09/are_you_optimis.html

    about makes me gag
     
  5. MojoMan

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    I don't believe he know any more about football than the average poster on this board.

    Nevertheless, I hope he is right about this. If he is right about this, the Texans should win on Sunday by at least two touchdowns.
     
  6. nunusguy

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    Tony Kornheiser, described him as the best baseball beat writer in America. Justice is an alumus of The University of Texas at Austin.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Justice
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    C'mon 'fess up, you guys are all green with envy about Richie because he's got his own Wikipedia entry aren't you ?
     
  7. Kaiser Toro

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    Carr was and is a fraud, football speaking of course. He is an all-time bust, and unfortunately he was able to charm way to many folks off the field - McNair, Casserly, Capers, Kubiak and the media - to prolong his stay in Houston.
     
  8. Second Honeymoon

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    no truer words have been spoken

    carr sucks, his dad sucked, his whole 'faith and family first' BS sucked, and because of that the Texans sucked

    no one wanted to admit it but some of us knew he sucked from day one. it wasn't that hard to spot.

    no pocket presence
    no ability to burn blitzes
    no ability to look downfield and feel pressure
    no leadership
    no accountability
    no work ethic
    no professionalism
    no dedication

    the only thing the guy could do is take an asswhoopin' and he was great at that
     


  9. ObsiWan

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    well, this "revelation" is only two years late and an 8 million dollar extension bonus short.

    Good job.

    In related news, Reggie Bush may not be an every-down RB.
     
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  10. nunusguy

    nunusguy Hall of Fame

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    People still have this animosity towards Carr which for some seems to almost border on hatred ? And many of these same people probably wildly applauded him at first when he beat their ultimate nemisis, the Dallas Cowboys, in the
    franchises debut. And I remember several other games where Carr flashed his talent, and he was talented.
    Did Carr quit on the team (and thereby the franchise and city in the eyes of many) after getting the crap beat out of him for several years when they
    failed to protect him ? You bet he did. If you were an NFL teams QB and into your 4th year on that team the best they could do to protecat your azz was Victor Riley, wouldn't you quit to ?
     
  11. b0ng

    b0ng Ooops

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    Hell no I wouldn't. Not for the kind of jack that Carr was getting paid. That's why most QB's are called PROFESSIONALS, because they don't just up and quit.

    It's also pretty obvious tha Carr doesn't have talent because he couldn't beat out an over-the-hill Vinny Testaverde in Carolina when Delhomme went down. Dude has the Roethlisberger "Hold onto the ball forever" skillset but none of the creativity and improvisational skills.
     
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    OMG! It's starting AGAIN... :deadhorse
     
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    There is no such thing as an over-the-hill Vinny Testaverde. Dude could still start for 25 teams in this league. :king:
     
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    No.
     
  15. nunusguy

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    He didn't "just up and quit." That's what would come under the heading of a "no mas" quit. He kept playing, kept getting his azz kicked every game.
    I doubt that half of you guys ever played a snap in your whole lives, ever got hit once let alone by one of those 300+ lb behemoths that regularly clobbered Carr. Did he loose interest, motivation, etc ? I'm sure he did. Did he look over his shoulder, loose his focus, run outo bounds more often than necessary for fear of the next time he would get busted ? Yep, I remember all of that to.
    As far as him beating out Testaverde, he was past saving by the time he got there. His career and potential was long ago wasted by then thanks to his incompetant handlers in Houston.
     
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    Now Justice just needs to apologize for being such a VY-loverboy. He's made a habit of being blatantly wrong so many times that I'm amazed he has any credibility, much left a job left.
     
  17. ChampionTexan

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    Actually, as much as I consider David Carr's lack of talent one of the major reasons for the slow start this franchise is going thru, I do find it amusing in a sad sort of way when I see all the personal vitriol directed towards the guy.

    And in terms of that talent (or non-talent) - one of the few things (maybe the only thing) I'll give Dickie J. credit for in terms of football, was that he was saying fairly early on that if Carr truly had any ability to QB an NFL football team, it would show itself - even if only occasionally, and only briefly - and it never did.

    The argument can be made that Carr entered the NFL without enought talent to succeed on that level , and the argument can be made that the Texans killed whatever talent he may have had (and the two arguments are not necessarily mutually exclusive). I have my own opinion, but there's no definitive answer to that question, which is essentially "nature or nurture". With all that, I absolutely take issue with the comment that he flashed enough talent to prove that he had any appreciable amount of it.
     
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  18. Goldensilence

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    While some of them weren't dogs as the media and soem fans made them out to be it wasn't like once they got a decent QB behind them they were all pro.

    Look to be honest I am not sure I can go off and say it's all Davie Carr's fault for the poor start to the franchise. I think he playeda big role in it no doubt. The coaching staff, front office, and players were dysfunctional IMO.

    Capers and his coaching staff were incompetent at evaluating talent. Casserly, whether by the coaching staff demands or not made some bad moves in FA and monster bad ones in the draft. Some players didn't care and those that did had to fight through a lot of frustration.

    We're obviously better off now then 4 years ago under Capers and Casserly. I can't help though but be a bit frustrated about certain things with this current staff. For example: letting Richard Smith stay so long when it's obvious the guy doesn't belong as a coordinator.

    All that said I'm wary of starting over with new coach as the offense is fairly predicated on ZBS and we've finally got the personnel to run it. My concern is if we bring in a guy who is an experienced heach coach but, prefers to play a power run game or likes to run a 3-4. We're stuck retooling again.
     
  19. Goatcheese

    Goatcheese Nightmare Over

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    Carr held the ball way too long, but the line was still terrible for the first 4 years. Even with Schaub's pocket presence he would have been sacked 50+ times behind the 2002 line.
     
  20. CTWade

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    Somebody give me a clue. If we all hate Justice then why do we keep empowering him by spreading his articles around the web?
     

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