Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by indiantexan, Jul 19, 2009.
Full article http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=5372
Just because Orlovsky did not make the pro bowl with Detroit last year does not mean the guy cannot be developed into a player. The Lions went 0-16 last year, for crying out loud.
If Walker turns out to be right, I think that could be a great story for our city.
Good luck Dan!
I wasn't concerned with his probowl miss, I was concerned with his record as a starter...the guy has literally never played in an NFL game that has ended in victory. I don't care how talented you are or how untalented your team is. Some of that goes on teh QB. He has never won a game
If Schaub fails to stay healthy this season or regresses and Houston regresses, because of it........I agree with him. Orlovsky is only 25 and has all the tools to be a quality starter in this league. This is a BIG season for Schuab and I'm rooting for him, because I'd rather have him squash all doubts (playing wise and injury wise) and lock up the position than have to go through another change at QB.
First things first. I think it's kind of weird and cool that we've been around long enough to have a "Where are they now?" page anywhere on the main site but at the same time if it ends up being a regular feature and ends up talking about a lot of our draft picks that's kind of bad because for most of the people we've selected in the draft the answer to "Where are they now?" is supposed to be "Playing football for the Texans" and we all know that's not the case for most of those selected from 2002-2005.
Now as for the statement about Orlovsky I think Gary doesn't keep up much with the Texans. I don't know where he got that take but it sounds a bit out of date to me. We get our QB's killed because we don't have an OL so they better be big guys who can take a lot of hits? That's what things were like the last time Gary Walker was suiting up so that's what he's talking about.
Not putting much stock in that.
I found this rather interesting because it would never occur to me to do such a thing...
guess I've been somewhat naive about my fellow "fans"
Lets win a game, win a good amount of games,lead your team,put up good numbers,do not run out of the endzone...
And THEN we can start questioning if he is pro bowl matterial.
Thats a big predicition by Gary though, I HOPE Dan O works out and prove people like me wrong.
But even more I come for the next few years that he wont have a chance because Matt will be playing every game
until Schaub makes it thru a 16 game season (hopefully 18 or 19) for a couple of seasons in a row, his durability is suspect. And if Schaub doesn't show that durability, sooner or later, Smithiak will replace him. I'm thinking the signing of Rex and Orlovsky are the first steps in that direction. For example, if Schaub goes down again this year for a 4-5 game stretch and we win without him, do you honestly think he'll get his job back? Do you think he should?
Yeah, that also popped out at me, there are some real assholes in this city.
Yeah, I personally would do anything to have a 320 lb. defensive lineman pop me in the jaw. Eating a blended pizza out of a straw seems like so much fun.
What tools exactly are you talking about? If you mean "hes tall and can throw the ball a long way" then yeah, I guess so. A certain "he will not be named" also fit that category.
Mental/football intelligence? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhijWrjy8Uo
The "It" factor (otherwise known as, is he a winner): Over his 4 year career, the team he plays on is a cumulative 0-12 in games where he takes at least one snap.
I want him to succeed because I really like his personality and I really like his size/arm strength. But I dont really think its fair to say "he has all the tools" when he hasnt shown them yet
Same here. "Lets go up to the giant guy who could crush us and tell him how much the Texans suck" would never enter my mind. Just seems like a bad plan from a survival standpoint. Above and beyond that though it would just be really tacky to do that. When I met Corey Bradford in 2002 the first thing he did was apologize to me for the previous weeks loss and honestly, that broke my heart on some level because I could tell that he meant it. He was talking about how they let us down and I spent the whole time I was speaking to him trying to make him understand that we could see the effort and that we'd get em' eventually.
Oh I understand that the durability thing is there but I don't see Orlovsky or Grossman being the QB of choice for Kubiak if Schaub proves he can never stay healthy. They're the new potential versions of Sage and nothing more. Remember that Sage was never honestly considered for the starting job when he was here and I genuinely believe the same will hold true for these two. They're both here to provide quality backup play while being coached up and made into potential trade value guys and nothing more. If Schaub gets crushed and one of these two plays then we'll be drafting a QB regardless of how well we do with either of these guys in the meantime.
The average citizen in Houston is not from here and would only follow a team here if it was a winner. They do not understand the game, much less the games inside the games.
Few people here know that Matt Schaub is the QB and that we have a pretty exciting and young football team ready to make noise in the NFL. They only know the team sucks, and the coach should be fired because we have not made the playoffs.
I still hear people mouthing off because we did not take VY.
That is the average citizen in Houston.
Now on this board you have the people that bleed for the team, we are not the average guy.
I remember watching Gary's first year and thought about what a steal he was as he flashed some of his big time skills. Time takes a toll on you, especially in the trenches. Careers come and go so fast....reason 3256 why 5-year rebuilding plans are obsolete today.
When I read that I just thought he was just taking a shot. I've got alot of friends who do it. They'll say something far from the norm just so if it happens they can look like geniuses. If they are wrong than it is no biggie, but if they are right they look smart. I'm pretty sure that's what he was going for.
A lot of you have extreme opinions on a guy you've likely never seen more than one game. To call him a "loser" or insist he's somewhat responsible for his 0-12 record is plain wrong. He put the Lions in position to win time and time again, only to see his defense lay down and let the offense run all over them. If you don't think he's a future NFL starter, you didn't watch him play. You didn't see him use Calvin Johnson like a veteran QB, you didn't see him put the ball exactly where it needed to be, you didn't see him make the most out of mediocre WRs, and worst of all, a lot of you saw nothing more than the play where he ran out of the endzone. The same play where Detroit's play caller let a TE block Jared Allen.
I don't know about him being the future QB or anything. If Schaub goes down and he plays really well that would be really nice, but I think that is a pretty far stretch. He was surely the best QB that played on the Lions last season though even though he never got any victories. He had a pretty nice arm from what I saw. Now as far as other intangibles and decision making, and coming through in the clutch is something that he'll have to learn and prove that he can do in time though.
Honestly.......how long are y'all going to harp over that damn safety for? I'm just asking here.... There's been very successful QBs who lined up under guard to take a snap in their first ever NFL start.
The kid had some very nice games last season (games where he played more than good enough for them to win) and I think under Kubiak and with a good work ethic he has the possibility to really grow in this league.
he said orlovsky can take a lot of hits.. so our o-line still sucks?
i hope not.
That or he thinks Schaub is soft, either way........not good.
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