Gaither in the Supplemental draft?

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  1. Errant Hothy

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    http://www.draftdaddy.com/blog/blog.cfm

    IF this is true we might actually have an interesting supplemental draft this year.

    And another tid-bit from the same blog.

     
  2. rollinstone18

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    I remember a couple posters on the old board RAVED about Gaither. I don't see us giving up any picks though, maybe second day but definitely not our first day picks.
     
  3. TexanAddict

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    Paul Oliver and Jared Gaither were both being mentioned in the top 25 of 2008 prospects to watch next season. Interesting that both will be entered into the supp draft. Not sure that I would give up a 3rd (since we don't have a 2nd), but for a 4th it could be worth a shot.

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    Supplemental Draft
    In late summer, the NFL also holds a Supplemental Draft to accommodate players who did not enter the regular draft because they thought they still had academic eligibility to play college football. Draft order is determined by a weighted system that is divided into three groupings. First come the teams that had six or fewer wins last season, followed by non-playoff teams that had more than six wins, followed by the 12 playoff teams. In the supplemental draft, a team is not required to use any picks. Instead, if a team wants a player in the supplemental draft, they submit a "bid" to the Commissioner with the round they would pick that player. If no other team places a bid on that player at an earlier spot, the team is awarded the player and has to give up an equivalent pick in the following year's draft. (For example, RB Tony Hollings was taken by the Houston Texans in the second round of the Supplemental Draft in 2003; thus, in the 2004 NFL Draft, the Texans forfeited a second-round pick.)

    The 1985 Supplemental Draft was particularly controversial. Bernie Kosar of the University of Miami earned his academic degree a year early but did not enter the regular draft that year. Rather than finish his eligibility at Miami, he entered into talks with his favorite team, the Cleveland Browns. They advised Kosar to delay his professional eligibility until after the regular draft. They then traded for the right to choose first in the Supplemental Draft. This angered many clubs, notably the Minnesota Vikings and New York Giants, who had expressed interest in choosing him in that season's regular draft. Many of today's Supplemental Draft rules aim at preventing a recurrence of this incident.

    As of 2006, players who enter the Supplemental Draft usually are graded as players who should be drafted at a later round, or who have college eligibility problems (poor academic or discipline issues). Only 34 players have been taken since the NFL instituted the Supplemental Draft in 1977.



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    WOW, that will make it interesting, a premier CB and a premier OT in the supplemental draft. Both positions are ones that we could use help in, something to definately monitor, if it comes down to a second day pick I think I would jump on either.
     
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    How reasonable is it to think a "premier" player at any position will last until a second pick is used?
    I am hopeful, but not very.
     
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    Not necessarily an endorsement, just FYI
     
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    Actually i think a third would probably the the highest i'd see either going. Keeping in mind at least after next year you'd get another full body of work to grade a player out. I would think after the Hollings Debacle this franchise would be wary of the Supplemental draft.

    That said both prospects do seem intriguing for our team.
     


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    I agree. Tony had the stats (brief as they might have been). I am not opposed to using the S.draft as if you like the guy you can have him developing on your team under your coaches. Plus theoretically, the next year's pick should be lower as your team should be better. It is a gamble regardless.
     
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    thoughts on Chris Patrick. Seems this yahoo writer thinks we're a team who could use him.

    "Other prospects could be ruled eligible for the supplemental draft, but most would be deemed long shots. For the most part, teams are reluctant to surrender an '08 draft pick. In addition, any prospect taken must fit into this year's rookie salary cap pool. As a result, I expect to see Oliver taken between rounds three or four and Patrick possibly taken with a late choice by someone like the Houston Texans, New York Giants, Miami Dolphins, Kansas City Chiefs or Oakland Raiders – each of whom could use a young tackle/guard at an inexpensive price tag."


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  11. PapaL

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    I see no harm in throwing a late round pick on the table; probably 5th on. Worst case you spend a pick in which the player probably would not have made the team, but in this case you get to evaluate him the year before.
     
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    I don't want to ever see the Texans use a legimate draft slot on a supplemental draft selection ever again. does Tony Hollings ring any bells :heh:
     
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    Like I said in the Paul Oliver thread:

    "I felt the sting of the Tony Hollings pick as much as everyone else, but we're not talking about a RB coming off a serious knee injury with only 4 starts to his credit here. Oliver was productive in college, was highly regarded, and even shut down the mighty Calvin Johnson. I think the Texans should at least do their due dilligence in taking a look at this guy. Our secondary is anything but a proven commodity."

    You can sub Gaither's name for Oliver (except for the Calvin Johnson comment) and OL for secondary. You don't lose much if you think these players can make your team and offer a second day pick for them. You won't be getting a top teir player at that spot in the regular draft. Both these players were highly regarded going into next season and could contribute to areas of need on our team. Casserly should've been lambasted for giving up such a high pick to acquire Hollings (for the reasons mentioned above), but to use a day 2 pick on either of these players would not be as ridiculous. I think assuming the risk involved, a 5th would not be too much.
     
  14. rollinstone18

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    I wouldn't mind spending a 4-7rd pick on Gaither, in fact I'd be thrilled. I'm becoming more pessimistic by the day on Spencer's recovery. Gaither is believed to be a 1st day, possible 1 round pick next year, so I don't think it'd be a bad move on the Texans' part to take a gamble.
     
  15. Maddict5

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    ..and gaither's officially in the supp draft.. def worth a 3rd imo

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/...628,0,5867497.story?coll=bal-college-football

     
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    I hope its a 3rd at best. He's real young and his impact might not be made right away, but the loads of potential this kid has is there. Hopefully we can get him for a 3rd or 4th, especially with Spencer most likely looking at ending up on the PUP to start the year. I'm torn on the Supplimental draft after the Tony Hollings ordeal, but Gaither may be the one to make me think differently.
     
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    IMO it would be a good move for the Texans to take him.
     
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    Here is an article about what he did at his workout

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2930513

    "Scouts clocked Gaither, who checked in at 6-feet-8¾ and 324 pounds, at between 4.98 and 5.14 seconds in the 40-yard sprint. He posted a vertical jump of 31½ inches, a broad jump of 9 feet, 3 inches, a short shuttle of 4.49-4.53 seconds and a cone drill of 7.12-7.25 seconds. The short shuttle and cone drill are change-of-direction drills.

    Of the 42 offensive linemen who ran the 40 at the combine in February, only four posted faster times than Gaither's. And only six of the 37 linemen who participated in the vertical jump recorded better efforts."
     
  20. Lucky

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    Gaither only completed 16 lifts of 225 lbs in the bench press. Fewer than every offensive linemen that participated in the combine bench press.

    Gaither looks like a player who would help more in 2009 than 2007. It will be interesting to see who takes a chance on him and when. I'll guess Dallas (who has the Browns #1 in '08) with their own 1st round pick.
     

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