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  1. Wolf

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    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7026076?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5

    I thought that was a staple in Denver's offense...anywho... maybe some Sherman influence mixed into this offense and part of the aka "Gulf Coast Offense" ;)
     
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    according to KFFL.com ,it is reported Owen is healthy now :heh:
     
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    Interesting. This is probably the most I've seen dedicated to the left tackle and Spencer's recovery:

    Besides talking about a good rehab, though, it doesn't say much that we don't already know (Salaam/Black carry the load; try Winston there, too). At least we know the Texans have a series of increasingly degrading contingency plans behind a left tackle who only played two or three games last year.
     
  5. Rex King

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    I think it's Kubiak adjusting the scheme to the personnel - both he and Schaub said something to that effect. Just like although mixing in more power running may have been Sherman's influence (letting Wand, who was arguably the best zone blocker, go), they may also have found they didn't have the hogs to run zone. idonno:

    Maybe they'll do rollouts less, but maybe they'll be more effective this year with a better running game and less predictability. Besides that one TD to Daniels against the Jags, they were kind of painful to watch.

    Nothing new, but that's link's a really good overview. I'm just impressed they got all of their facts straight.
     
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    Me too. Somebody outside of Houston actually watches us. :splits:
     
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    VN find Mr. Wolf.

    Now that guy is a football writer. Well it looks as though they're going to make up in numbers what they cannot make up in tallent. They got Free safty canidates and OLT canidates stacked up like a cord of wood. I'm not dimissing Erick at OLT out of hand. But I'll be surprised if he makes that kind of leap in one off season.
     
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    ahhhhhhh!!!... :joker:
     


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    I think it is interesting how he says that we won't roll Schaub out as much? I don't understand, didn't he do that pretty well in Atlanta?
     
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    oooooooooooooh!!!

    ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

    At least Weaver's played in more than a couple of games.
     
  11. threetoedpete

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    Well I'm not banging the guy. And I certainly am not tring to start another ykw thread....but he isn't John Elway. He is a Good QB and the switch needed to be made.... but they aren't going to run 6-8 bootlegs a quarter with the TE draging across the formation like they ran with you know who. There're not going to put him in space one on one with a wild card DE. They aren't going to do it. There's a big difference in 4.7 forty speed and 5.3 forty speed. Kubes isn't about to risk his new toy forcing him to do things that aren't his strength to his skill set. And running in space isn't one of MS's strengths. He isn't Joe Nameth, but he isn't Steve Young either.
     
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    6-8 bootlegs a quarter? Did that ever happen with YKW? I remember them running 1-2 a game, maybe. Offhand, I remember 2 in the Colts game (which is the only one I still have recorded.)
     
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    You don't have to be fast to be a wco QB...just smart and have decent feet. Not being fast never hurt Joe Montana. Carr ran himself into lots of sacks because he had issues reading defenses and reading the DE on his roll outs.
     
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    I think the ability to read defenses and make pre-snap adjustments will make a big difference in getting the ball out quickly. A QB doesn't need to run fast if he's got a quick release and knows how to use a pocket. Hopefully our line will be decent enough to give him a couple of seconds to plant his feet and throw.
     
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    It happened, but most of them were unplanned, and many unnecessary. :shades:
     
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    And I agree with all of that. But he sin't going to put MS on the edge with out protection. And yes PN go re watch the games they did. All season long in '06. The play book will change ...just a tad. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. And Vinny yes YKW ws so shell shocked that he was ineffective with plays in the pocket. That coupled with the fact it was just about the only thing in the arsonal that YKW could run and be sucsessfull, in the end the DE's were simply ignoring the fake dive.

    I'm not in the meetings , but the waggle is pretty much down the tubes with MS . They are not going to gamble with the guy. They aren't going to put him alone and on the edge with a guy who pretty much is going to guess that we may be running the waggle and there for his best option is to ignor the fake and see how deep he can plant MS into the turf. My point is, MS does not have the foot speed to run out of trouble on the edge. I'm not argueing he is not a good QB. The original point was why are they saying what they are saying. He isn't going to win a foot race with many DEs or rush linebackers. Again, he isn't Steve Young or John Elway. That fact doesn't make him a bad QB. It just means there are certain things he can not do well. He is deffinatly an upgrade at QB. Not argueing that at all.
     
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    PN, the waggle is a deceptive play where the Fb & RB simulate the dive, usually off tackle on the right side. The QB reverse pivots, puts the ball on his hip and the left side blocks down to the right simulating the same thing they do on the right off takle dive. The qb puts the ball on his hip and when the right DE chases the play to his left, also known, at least when I played as sucking eggs inside, the QB is all alone in the left flat with a clear , unobstructed veiw of the left flat. If the TE is draggin correctly, he too is all alone in the left flat also with the time to turn is hips up feild. It is not just "a boot-leg". It is the waggle. And yes we ran the devil out of it last season. And no we ain't going to run the devil out of it this season.
     
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    You meant Joe Namath, and more specifically Joe Namath after his knee injuries and subsequent surgeries. Before his injuries Joe Namath was a fine athlete, with legendary Alabama head coach Paul " Bear" Bryant refering to Namath as " the greatest athlete I ever coached." His surgeries were part of the infancy of sports medicine and helped lead to the more advanced surgeries that players have available today. Had the current surgeries been available to Namath back then, there is no telling what he might have accomplished.
     
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    Pete, I know what a waggle is. A waggle is a form of a bootleg. A bootleg is the name of the family of plays where the QB rolls out. Different offenses call these things different things but it's basically a roll out, a bootleg.

    And we did not run it as often as you make out. I'll go through the last Colt game tonight and count them. There is no way we ran 24-32 Waggle's in that a game; we only had 23 pass plays. According to your claim, we ran 384 Waggles over the course of the season but we only had 481 pass plays the entire season. That's just ridiculous.
     
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    I agree and let it so be recorded. But at the end he needed a sun dail to time his forties. Now MS is by no means that slow. But he isn't going to win a foot race with Babins either. Anyone thinks he will is posting shear emotion and no brains.

    And PN if you're posting we only ran two a game, it was easy to see why I would be mistaken in your football knowledge. And there for why I was compelled to waist the band wideth with the discription. My bad.
     

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