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FIRE BILL O'BRIEN NOW!!!

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  1. steelbtexan

    steelbtexan Hall of Fame

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    So people are stupid enough to let the media help form their opinions instead of forming their own opinions by using their own 2 eyes?
     
  2. TheKDog

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    No pretty sure we want obrien to not bring back his version of the ep
     
  3. TheKDog

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    Personally I just care that he sucks at basically every aspect of coaching.
     
  4. steelbtexan

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    Agreed

    With Watson running it. BOB's offense/Watson aren't a good fit.
     
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    amazing80 Fire Billy O

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    Why don't you word it, BoB's offense isn't very good and it should be changed.

    The narrative that the system isn't working because of the QB is what people are getting upset about. It's not the QB, but the system and the way it's designed. Clearly they changed it up and things worked, for EVERYONE on the offense.
     
  6. Texansballer74

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    Because he doesn't like Watson. In six years we have seen quarterbacks being shuffled in and out of this system at a record pace. And ole Steel only points out 1.
     
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  7. Uncle Rico

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    Correct. Seth Payne said this morning on air that he's talked with a "couple" of guys internally and they said that OBrien has made a "philosophical" change in how he will be designing the offense moving forward. Not sure what that means exactly, but it only justifies the "this offense sucks" crowd.

    There has never been a version of a Bill OBrien offense that was worthwhile. Not here, Not in Penn St, and not in NE since he is the ONLY assistant that went through there that never got a ring. It is what it is, guys supporting a Bill OBrien EP offense (whatever that means) are really just going down with the ship.

    I dont care. Win games. Look like a professional team. Call it the My Little Cupcake Offense if you want, as long as it wins games and utilizes the strengths of the team and adapts to ever changing conditions and gives the team and fans something to be inspired by, Im in. I dont care if its Billy Butts Aka Billy Buttcrack or some other new coach. I DONT CARE. Just win baby. Just win.

     
  8. steelbtexan

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    The BOB/Watson marriage isn't a good one because BOB is asking Watson to do to much at the LOS.
     
  9. TheKDog

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    It only took 6 years go fix an obvious flaw in his system (assuming he sticks with the change).

    Maybe in another 6 years he can change his philosophy on timeouts, challenge flags, personnel, salary cap, trades and draft picks.
     
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    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    You should really stop throwing the "stupid" word around
     
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  11. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Pro BS'er

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    Im with you man, but it becomes a Sisyphus type chore knowing that no matter how much you beat that drum, no matter how much light you try to shed, how badly you want change, and how it could actually be for the betterment of the team .. that at the top of that hill, that ball will roll all the way down again because Bill Obrien is here for the immediate future. I know it sucks, but Im convinced he's starting to hear the chatter and feeling that seat grow warmer and thus why he's finally softening his perception on "his offense".

    In the end if the man continues to squander timeouts, possessions, challenges and it leads to losses then that would be the most obvious issue to apply corrective action to with a move, but it just doesnt appear to be imminent. There are tons of super smart Texan fans and the hope would be that with social media and the many fan sites that if there is enough 'noise' then eventually it would get brought up in that clubhouse.

    That is until next week if he goes back to the same boring, vanilla offense that doesnt work and gets Watson killed and just looks pathetic. Then I'll just throw my hands up in the air and start drinking again.
     
  12. Double Barrel

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    So let me get this straight: his offense sucks, but his QB just had a perfect QB rating, one of the best performances of his young career, and even had the pro football HoF request his cleats for being the only QB in NFL history to pass for at least 400 yards and five touchdowns with five-or-fewer incompletions.

    Okey dokey. :ok: (this is not a secret sign. . .hehe)

    Far be it from me to defend Billy O to the pitchfork crowd (I'm not a big fan, either). I just find the narrative amusing. :texans::spin:


    p.s. Watson threw for five touchdowns and no interceptions for the third time in his career on Sunday. He’s done so in just 28 games, which makes him by far the fastest to reach that accomplishment. Who did he beat? Peyton Manning (99 games).

    In all three games, Billy O was his coach. . . :hmmm:
     
  13. TheKDog

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    Watson has been good, but the offense overall has not consistently been good
     
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    JB Old Curmudgeon

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    But yet to hear some tell it (you for example) the defense has been all that has saved OB the last 6 years
     
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    Defense and weak division. Don't think that's inconsistent. Despite Watson putting up great numbers the offense doesn't usually put up a lot of points
     
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    I misread your post to say the defense has not been good
     
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    Weak division? Hmmm. Patriots have been in a weak division for almost 2 decades. This division is competitive. The team in division seem to beat a lot of teams outside their division. Just because the teams are bunched up, doesn't make it weak.
     
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    What are your eyes telling you? What it looks like to me, your eyes are telling you O’Brien is a near flawless coach, it’s the players fault when things go wrong. Most of us were critical of both Watson and O’Brien after the Carolina loss.

    OB called a hell of a game this past weekend and the offense executed it well. Do you have any constructive criticisms of OB? Can you at least concede he has had problems with managing the clock over his tenure here? Baby steps now...
     
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    And all 3 games were against some craptastic defenses.

    Look, the talent is there to do some great things, but even with DW4, this "Billy O" offense has been one of the most mind numbingly bland and inconsistent his entire time here.

    400 yards, 5 TD this week, while 1 week before it's 160 yards, 0 TD. Week before that, 351 and 3, before that, 159 and 0.

    Hell, Fitzy had a 6 TD game under OB. Good things can happen, even in a OB offense. It's just that it happens so few and far between. Those three 5 TD games have happened in 3 separate seasons.

    And the biggest thing still is, OB can't beat the better teams. 3 wins this year are against teams with a combined 5-10 record. The 2 losses, 7-3. The needle is still not moving on that.
     
  20. Earl34

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    BINGO! That inconsistency can be attributed to an error prone QB like Fitz or a young, inexperienced QB like Watson. However, you have to include the common factor in this inconsistency that is O'Brien and his interpretation of the EP offense. It has absolutely nothing to do with a QB being too stupid or unable to run the offense or needing to implement the Clemson scheme.

    It's all about how O'Brien uses the EP offense to attack defenses and make in game adjustments. For example,
    1. If your young QB is struggling with his reads against a particular defense. You simplify his reads by calling more rollout plays and cutting the field in half
    2. If your OTs are struggling with a pass rusher, you run more two TE sets to help with the blocking.
    3. If your OL is struggling with the pass rush, you run two TE sets or two RBs or single back formations to assist with the blocking
    4. If your running game is struggling, you adjust and pass to setup the running game
    5. If your passing game is struggling, you adjust and run to setup pass with play action
    6. If your young QB is holding on to the ball too long, you run shorter routes
    7. If your young QB is holding on to the ball too long, you call 3 step drop pass play
    8. If your young QB is not seeing the field, you send less receivers out in the patterns
    9. If your young QB is struggling with the OL calls, put it on the OL to help him. Even the great Peyton Manning did not make OL calls.
    10. If your young QB is struggling you integrate some of his college plays into the EP scheme.
    Not one of these 10 points are unique to the EP offense. Again, after you run the 15-20 scripted plays, it's all about how you adjust to the defense. Let's take a look at that Hopkins' pass play. We brought a FB in and Watson was under center. As the OC, you saw how they played that formation on film. However, the other side has game film too. So, you run out of that formation, you might have to even thrown a pass out of that formation before you call that play. Later in the game, you call that Hopkins pass because for this particular game, you have seen how the defense will react to that personnel grouping. On too many occasions, it appears the Texans are just running plays without a purpose or even a strategy to attack a defense. Simply, beat your man. The OC is not doing enough to help his offense. Against the Panthers, why on earth are we constantly running 15+ yard pass patterns into a Cover 4 defense? That is simply asinine. Give your QB more underneath options. If he's still holding the ball, call 3 step drop plays until he gets in rhythm or understand his progression has to start from short to long. This isn't rocket science and is why so many fans are frustrated with O'Brien.

    That's what makes a great OC. You can have bestest offense on a whiteboard. However, during the game, it's how fast can you adjust to what being thrown at you in real time. How fast, can you get your young QB settled. How are you setting up your plays from quarter to quarter or even possession to possession. That's why I got so annoyed by the opinion that the offensive struggle is based solely on the QB not being smart enough to handle the EP system. It's like the Run and Shoot offense. If you know it struggles in the red zone, get a TE on the roster. But once you have that TE on the roster, it doesn't mean you only bring a TE in on obvious red zone situations. You have to make sure you get on film that your offense is just as unpredictable with a TE as when you are going 4 wide. This isn't rocket science.
     
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