Final Draft Position

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  1. DenverBorn

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    OK well Washington lost last night, ending the season at 5-11

    If we win today, I think our lowest possible draft position is 7th. To get 7th, Minnesota has to beat St Louis at home (very possible) and San Francisco has to beat Denver on the road (very unlikely). To summarize, if we win:

    Minn win, SF win - 7th
    Minn win, SF loss - 8th
    Minn loss, SF loss - 9th

    If we lose today, aside from having a total organizational meltdown, we'll be affected by (a) Tampa Bay's outcome at home vs Seattle , (b) Arizona's outcome at San Diego, and (c) our relative SOS with Washington. So let's summarize the possibilities, if the Texans lose today:

    TB loss, AZ loss: 5th or 6th (depending on relative SOS with Washington)
    TB win, AZ loss: 4th or 5th
    TB win, AZ win : 3rd or 4th


    Notwithstanding what I posted elsewhere, it does appear mathematically possible for us to draft 6th. I stand corrected. That being said, I'll be an optimist today and predict that we'll beat the Browns. My gut tells me that SF will lose to a Denver team that is trying to reach the playoffs, and Minnesota will win at home against the Rams. That puts us in the 8th draft position.


    7:30 PM edit - of course the one scenario I forgot to mention up top was Minn loss/SF win. Which is what happened . So much for all of this thinking -
     
  2. Sarg01

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    It would be nigh-on impossible to get ahead of Arizona or Minnesota in SOS.

    If we win, that locks Detroit and Oakland, Cleveland, Tampa Bay and Washington ahead of us. Next pick would be #6 and probably goes to Arizona. We would want Minny to win to move out of the #7 pick.

    San Fran does have a two game SOS lead on us, but they'd be pulling for mostly underdogs while we'd be pulling for favorites. So even if San Fran loses to Denver, we could still overtake them for #8 (#7 if Minny won)

    We're guaranteed to finish ahead of Miami in SOS.

    If we lose, Detroit and Oakland are locked in ahead of us. Next pick would be #3 and would almost certainly go to Arizona UNLESS they win - which is unlikely against SD. Tampa Bay can not get above Houston or Washington and would be hard pressed to get above Cleveland, so in this scenario they project at #7 if they win.

    Picks #4-6 would be an all out SOS struggle between Washington, Houston and Cleveland. As luck would have it, Washington and Houston have EXACTLY the same possible SOS range, though we have slightly more favorites that we would like to see win. Cleveland is trailing both teams by two games and would get locked at #6 with EITHER a KC win over Jax OR a Baltimore win over Buffalo. Remember what I said about us liking favorites? Remember how Baltimore clinches a 1st-round bye with a win? :shades:

    Please note: All draft positions are relative to the Texans position. So when I say Arizona at the #6 pick, all I mean is AZ is one of 6 teams that will finish ahead of the Texans. I'm not necessarily saying they finish #6 vs, say #3.
     
  3. DenverBorn

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    Including last night's game, our SOS is .512397 and Washington's is .516529. We both played the Giants during the season but it counts double for Washington as they played the Giants twice.

    If everything goes our way (from a SOS perspective), the "lowest" we can have is .496094 and the "highest" we can have is .521236. Key to the "lowest" are losses by Indy, Jax and Tenn. If we beat Cleveland, the "highest" we can have is .517375

    More later, I'll track this as the games develop today
     
  4. DenverBorn

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    oops wrong board
     
  5. Sarg01

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    6 teams have 5-wins or fewer with no capacity to hit 6.

    6 win teams:

    Minnesota
    Arizona (if they win)
    Houston
    San Fran (still to play)
    Miami (still to play)

    Miami can not beat Houston in SOS, so the Texans have #9 locked. It is unlikely (I'll determine shortly if its even possible) to get ahead of Minny or Arizona, so we are in a throw down with SF for pick #8 at the moment.
     
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    EVERY early game has currently got the scoreboard our way SOS wise!

    The only game we don't care about (Cin/Pit) is tied :)
     
  7. DenverBorn

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    Hey if Pitt wins, the Titans hopes are still alive.
     
  8. DenverBorn

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    Sarg is right, all of the noon games are going our way from an SOS perspective. I'll have a fulll update upon conclusion of the Titans game
     


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    Crazy Al has the first. That will be a hoot.
     
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    That makes all juniors reconsider .
     
  11. Sarg01

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    After the early games, here's the SOS ranges:

    Texmax = highest possible without also affecting Houston's SOS.

    Minnesota: 124 min, 127 Texmax
    Arizona: 126 min, 128 Texmax
    San Fran: 126 min, 129 Texmax
    Houston: 127 min, 129 max!!!
     
  12. DenverBorn

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    OK here is where we standing entering the afternoon games:

    The Texans opponents have a collective record of 126-125. Remaining games include:

    Philly (home vs Atl)
    Indy (home vs Miami, and worth 2 games)
    Buffalo (at Baltimore)
    Miami (at Indianapolis)

    The Indy- Miami game is NOT a wash, as we played Indy twice. Going with the favorites in these games projects out to 129-127

    The 49ers opponents have a collective record of 125-124. Remaining games include:

    Arizona (at San Diego, and worth 2 games)
    Philly (home vs Atlanta)
    SD (home vs AZ)
    Chicago( home tonight vs. GB)
    GB (at Chicago)
    Denver (home vs SF)

    As GB and Chicago are each worth one game, that's a win and a loss and move the overall record to 126-125. Also means we don't have to wait on tonight's game to learn the outcome

    Going with the favorites projects out to 129-127. A dead heat
     
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    To get ahead of San Fran for #8 we need:

    EITHER San Fran over Denver
    OR any 2 of these 3:
    Miami over Indy
    Arizona over San Diego
    Baltimore over Buffalo


    To get ahead of Arizona for #7 we need:

    Arizona MUST defeat San Diego
    AND
    Atlanta MUST defeat Philly
    AND any 1 of 3
    Miami defeats Indy OR
    Baltimore defeats Buffalo OR
    San Fran defeats Denver

    To get ahead of Minnesota for #6 we need:
    ALL OF:
    Arizona over San Diego
    Atlanta defeats Philly
    San Fran over Denver
    Miami over Indy
    AND win coin flip

    It is not possible to finish ahead of Minny without finishing ahead of the other two teams.
     
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    OK, that cleared it up...
     
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    Who Knows? ...Detroit beat Dallass!
     
  16. DenverBorn

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    As further complication, I mistakenly assumed we could not "catch up" to AZ in an SOS comparison were AZ to beat SD this afternoon, and also finish 6-10

    well as of the end of the noon games, AZ's opponents are 124-125. Remaining games include:

    Atlanta (at Philly)
    Chicago (home vs GB)
    GB (at Chicago)
    Denver (home vs SF)
    SF (at Denver, worth 2 games)
    AZ (at SD)

    Adding the Chicago/GB win/loss makes it 125-126. Going with the favorites projects to 128-128

    Of course if AZ loses to SD, the rest of this is irrelevant. But is AZ wins it could get very interesting. Especially as for it to matter, AZ would have to beat SD and thus that combined with all of the other favorites winning projects to 129-127

    Minnesota analysis to come
     
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    Great and fast work Sarg! As an intersting side note, besides helping our SOS, if Miami and/or SF were to win and become 7-game winners, we would not have to flip flop with them on the selections in the later rounds of the draft. The fewer 6-game winers we share with, the less deep we have to flip in the later rounds.

    My figures basically agree with yours. We are hurting against ARZ and MIN SOS's. MIA is history and will pick after us (1st round) regardless of win/loss. We have a fighting chance against the 49ers SOS. MIA, BAL wins saves our SOS by 1 each. ARZ raises theirs by 1. PHI/ATL game has the same outcome for us both, 1 point either way. Nothing else matters vs. SF.

    Given all of the above, and the likely outcomes of the games underway, we will likely be tied with SF for the 8th draft position. I don't believe there is any tie breaker left except a coin flip. If someone knows different, please advise.
     
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    What??? No kudos for me as well?
     
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    Minnesota is 122-126 going into the afternoon games. Give them 2 wins and 2 losses for the GB-Chi game, makes them 124-128. Teams still playing include

    Buffalo
    SF
    Miami
    AZ

    so if the favorites win out, that puts them at 124-132. I don't have a computer to run all of the scenarios but I think it's highly unlikely that we move ahead of Minnesota in the draft.

    While finishing up the games this afternoon, pull for Miami, SF and Arizona. Unfortunately I think they are all losing right now-
     
  20. TexanSam

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    I'm so confused after reading all the scenarios so I'll just wait until the day is done. Regardless, I think with our win today we're out of the running for Joe Thomas, Gaines Adams, Adrian Peterson, and Calvin Johnson. The elite of this draft.
     

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