Discussion in 'College Football & the NFL Draft' started by bulldawgtexan, Apr 24, 2006.
very good article that echoes a lot that has been spoken here
just a snippet for critics of Williams:
Critics point to the fact that 13½ of Williams' 14½ sacks last season came in the Wolfpack's final seven games and wonder about his consistency. Williams offered an interesting explanation for that. It took him four games to figure out how to better deal with cut blocks. Instead of wasting time pushing down with both hands on blockers' shoulder pads and stepping around the block the way linemen are taught, Williams learned how to handle blockers with one hand or just hurdle them. He had three sacks in NC State's fifth game, against Wake Forest.
A longtime defensive line coach says that on film, Williams appears to be playing a bit "cautious." Williams concurred with the observation. At NC State, the ends' first responsibility was outside containment (bootlegs, reverses) and at one point they weren't even allowed to take an inside rush. That discipline might give the impression that Williams was taking plays off. "I don't feel like my play changed from the beginning of the season to the end of the season," he said. "Maybe my numbers were different, but I ran the same way."
Says here that he drives a Ford F250 diesel truck. I guess that's all he could fit in.
I think he has good point. The Texans can't lose either way with Williams or Bush but defense wins Championships. The offense is ready to take off but the defense still needs a lot help. I know I am going to get bashed and ask what the heck I know about football. I do know that Williams will be a better pick than bush in the long run.
Sorry you guys for the long Thread I pasted the link.
article had a lot of very valid points....thanks for the finding and sharing it, but thats a hard decision and although we cant really go wrong with the 1st pick...it will be interesting to see which way we go on the 29th.
Please cut it down to a quote. We don't allow full length articles from anything other than HoustonTexans.com. Also, provide a link. I'm moving this to the NFL Draft forum.
Here ya'll go
I think money is also an issue with Bush and his expectations I believe far and away exceed those of Williams. I feel very similarly. It's one way to throw water on the Bush-VY thing. In reality Williams fills more of a hole than either Bush or VY do. Its funny, but perhaps we can't see the tree for the forest.
I know a good reason not to draft Bush, He is a cheat who will take a bribe! Enough said!
Ok most people know on the boards that I am a big Mario and Winston fan. I know Bush is big time and I think he can greatly help the team, and boy would the shootouts with teams be fun, similar to the Chiefs I think. I thought this was a good article with some valid points, I just wish he would not have used some of the faulty logic that some people use to support their guy. This guy is bad because of this, eventhough my guy does some of the same things he is great. Anyway a definate worthwhile read, and bravo to Michael Smith for being ballsy enough to write it.
For the umpteenth time, need/"hole" should not be the leading criteria a team uses for the #1 overall. But if it were, we just expended our biggest hunk of
FA funds on a guy who will be playing the same position as Williams, and we already have edge rushers like Peek who can play that position on thirds if we choose to move Weaver inside on those downs.
And if an owner is so miserly that he would actually consider passing on the Drafts most talented player for a lesser player to save some cap, well how's it go: "penny wise and pound foolish", he should just trade out of the top pick for the best deal he can to save those bucks if that's such a high priority.
For the mpteenth time I will say there is a good chance the league owners would not like to see a large increase paid to this year's number 1 pick. People like Ralph Wilson are up in arms about the new bargining agreement with respect to the smaller clubs and the impact it will have on them. Therefore, in return for the agreement I believe there is a lot of pressure on the bigger owners to tone things down for the smaller owners. No, I do not know this to be the case, except from listening to the discussions and comments by other owners.
As to Williams he is only a tick or two below Bush in his overall evaluation. As a matter of fact there are a number of NFL types that Williams is indeed the better player over the long haul. That evaluation includes comparisons to both Bush and VY.
We have done a lot with our offense and the defense could certainly use some help. Given all of the nonsense out there right now it would seem that Williams is now the better option.
Very good article. It definitely makes you think. Hearing about how the defense scheme, kept Mario from pursuing helps explain a bit of what others have complained about.
I'll be happy w/ either pick.
After reading the article i kinda agree with him. Williams does still have upside and is the prototypical size.
They said the only reason we wouldn't draft williams is because we have soo much money tied to the defensive line. Weaver, Robaire, Payne, TJ being a first rounder, and Babin too. Still i'm salivating thinking about Weaver and Williams bookends with Payne, Smith, and TJ rotating in the middle. Plus babin backing up the ends. Thats a stout line if i ever heard of one.
Plus Kubiak will do a better job than capers at rotating the backs in so Morrency will definately get some touches.
I'd like to trade down a spot or two to get him thats my only qualm.
Either way we get Bush or Williams i am happy
I like Michael Smith and noticed my head bobbing in agreement a few times during the article, but then I came across this assertion and realized that he did somethin to alter his mindstate:
"Houston would never forgive the Texans if it turns out they picked Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan. Except the Texans would be picking Shaquille O'Neal."
Obvious hyperbole, way out in the deep end.
For the Texans (Kubiak), this upcoming season is about one thing; improving the play of QB David Carr. He's been locked up financially, he's not getting traded, Kubiak has to find a way to make this guy shine. Bush is the only logical solution to making Carr and the offense produce in the shortest amount of time.
So, are the Texans going to let another game changing DE slip out of their hands? Yes. Will the offensive results make it worth it? They better. Other DEs will be around to help the Texans D, taking Bush is a chance to get instantly better on one side of the ball. Whether that's the correct approach is debatable, but that's what's coming...
This article deserves to be bumped back up the page.
At least for considering some of the knocks on Williams and whether they are unfounded or not. (The things repeated ad nauseum on talk radio and MBs by people who have never seen him play).
What about for the critics who say he plays too high?
I do like the fact he drives a big truck, kinda got that southerner in him huh? That I like!
he made a good point about the chiefs and the Colts.. high powered offenses that haven't done much without a complimentary defense.
Defense does indeed usually win championships and I agree that I think Mario is the better pick for our team in terms of who will create a bigger impact for us, although I won't go so far as to say that I "know" Mairo will be a better pick than Bush. However, as I've said I think he will create a bigger impact for our team and DEs typically last longer than RBs as well, and I also think that the offensive moves they've made this offseason, including bringing in Kubiak, will give us a good enough product on offense and defense should be our bigger concern right now.
I agree with your whole post.
Clips from the article I particularly like (and some of which I have been more or less stating for the last couple weeks):
and my personal favorite:
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