espn says "Texans: 25th best roster"

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  1. thunderkyss

    thunderkyss Salem Poor

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    Which NFL teams have the best collections of players?

    FYI (if you're not an insider); Colts lead the AFC South at 12, Robert Mathis is their only elite player. Titans are 21st, & Jacksonville is 32nd.

    Cowboys are 18th with no elite players.

    Top ten:
    1. Seahawks
    2. 49ers
    3. Broncos
    4. Saints
    5. Eagles
    6. Patriots
    7. Bengals
    8. Packers
    9. Cardinals
    10. Native Americans wearing big feathered headdresses
     
  2. EllisUnit

    EllisUnit Serving Koolaid

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    Sounds like a BS favoritism list to me. I hate ignorant writers !
     
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    EllisUnit Serving Koolaid

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    And how can you not list D. Brown, Foster and Cushing as elite players ? This whole list is just bad opinion.
     
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    They're actually just putting together the numbers PFF puts out... PFF who we all love because their stats show Jj Watt as the best defensive player in the league two years running, they're also the first to call DBrown Elite, outside of Houston... DB had an off year & Cush (& Arian) had season ending injuries.

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  5. b0ng

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    Foster and Cushing both had bad injuries, and Brown wasnt as good last year as previous seasons. I don't really agree but with how quickly players fall off it's not a terrible argument or opinion.
     
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    True. Seems their desire to be up to date would include shifting Reed to not enough information instead of using his rating as an OLB.
     
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    True... the only thing I can fault them with is that they're focused on the past season, giving no consideration to previous seasons. But... they did the same with all teams, all players. Julio Jones is elite... Dez Bryant is elite... They're not showing it that way.

    Would be nice to see the same "study" done looking through a three or four year window.
     
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    I just dont agree that we have the 25th best Roster, D Brown had an off year, Arian is back looks healthy and Cush is back. Jo Jo also had an off year, and i think KJ is better than they are giving him credit for.
     
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    "ESPN says" and he starts a thread. Joke.
     
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  10. 76Texan

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    I think it's somewhat fair, but JC should at least move them up a place or two.
    They might want to consider all the involved factors such a fiercer pass rush can help put the secondary in a better position or a better running game can help elevate other players as well.


    For example, when the Texans can grind it out more, Newton won't look so bad as there are fewer pass snaps to help put him in the red.
     
  11. Texian

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    From my understanding, O'Brien likes to throw more than Kubiak. Kubiak always strived for a 50%-50% run-pass ratio.
     
  12. Playoffs

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    I agree with the individual player ratings for us -- outside of the fact that Griffin is a Y & Graham is an H/move -- but I don't necessarily agree with the overall roster rankings. I think we're getting dinged harder for QB spot, which is understandable. I'll be surprised if Xavier Sua-Filo isn't starting at LG.

    As I've stated many time before, our problem is with depth at a number of positions. A key injury could derail our season. I think we're a draft away from being ready to address the realities of a football season and contend.
     
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    And I would agree. (Did I just type that?) BUT and there's always a BUT he KNOWS he can't do that this season. So he stocked up on big nasties in the trenches because like all wise coaches he's been following the board and has heeded steelb's passionate rant about doing same. This team is built to run it down the opposition's throat and make them like it all the while stifling whatever they try to do as an offense.

    When he does get *that guy* or groom one of the whippersnappers he already has in the fold the air raid will commence.

    My opinion, as stated prior, is that that's not going to be until midseason at best. I believe it's going to take that long for the 0 to jell into a unit that can be trusted and has shown that they can be on the same page and think as one.

    Till then: A Cloud -0- Dust!!
     
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    The texans were 2-14 last season. Even if, like me, you think it was largely due to poor coaching and Matt Schaub imploding lots of players on this team didn't play well. Or didn't play as well as we think they should.

    Of course they are going to rank us low.

    I don't fully agree with their list. Really I think it's useless. But I get why they have us where we are.
     
  15. eriadoc

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    Well, to be fair, they also aren't projecting things either. As in, how good will Cushing be after two consecutive knee surgeries? Some of the greatest players in the game have had their careers turn ordinary because of injury.

    I'm a little more optimistic about the OL than they are, and I think a couple guys they listed as average or below average have some improvement in their future.
     
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    There's no telling what the offense will actually look like.

    Last year, Penn St. Averaged nearly 42 rushes as compared with 34 pass attempts.
    (Without taking into accounts sacks and not knowing how many QB scrambles were supposed to be pass plays.) - with a Fr QB
    The previous year, it was 40/38 in favor of the run. - with a Sr QB

    He will probably have a more passing oriented offense for this level, but we don't know yet.
    At any rate, I still think that the running game works, he'll stay with it more.
    There's always the chance he'll call more pass plays to the RB, but that really is just an extension of the running game, IMO.
     
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    League rank & passing play percentage: O'Brien compared to Texans
    2011
    Code:
    [B]14	New England	58.90%
    
    [B]31	[COLOR="Navy"]Houston	        47.77%[/COLOR][/B]
    2010[/B]
    Code:
    [B]11	[COLOR="Navy"]Houston	        58.89%[/COLOR]
    
    [B]25	New England	54.70%[/B]
    2009[/B](Kyle Shanahan)
    Code:
    [B]9	[COLOR="Navy"]Houston	        59.25%[/COLOR]
    
    14	New England	57.51%[/B]
    assuming these stats are good: http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stats/
     
  18. b0ng

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    If O'Brien is as committed to getting Foster more passes then I think that the pass run ratio is going to be higher than at least the last year of the Kubiak regime.
     
  19. infantrycak

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    2011 almost needs to be thrown out because the numbers are skewed by Schaub going down so they ran the hell out of the ball with Yates.
     
  20. Playoffs

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    Yeah, good note, but it's rounds out the 3 years OB was calling plays in NE.


    Interesting Passing Play Percentages/Rankings for 2013...
    Code:
    [B]13[/B]	Denver	        59.68%
    [B]18[/B]	New England	57.93%
    [B]31[/B]	San Francisco	47.77%
    [B]32[/B]	Seattle	        47.29%
     

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