ESPN article about our woeful defense

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  1. the wonger need food

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  2. wolf123

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    It was a very good article and I completely agree. Our ends just arent getting the job done and theirs a huge hole at the other mlb spot. We need to go and get a good end like marcus spears or MLB like ahmad brooks.
     
  3. Yankee_In_TX

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    Yup, as we get burned time and time again cause they can't move.
     
  4. Jay

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&page=/trend/2004week15

    Len Pasquarelli with ESPN.com wrote an excellent article on the problems that the Texans' 3-4 defense are having. The most telling quotes are:

    "One club official in Houston hinted last weekend that some of the high-profile Texans defenders, especially in the front seven, have gotten old fast."

    See any of those kinds of "edge" rushers on the Houston roster? It is a linebacker corps that includes not a single player who has ever posted double-digit sacks in a season. Fact is, the lone Texans defender who has ever registered 10 sacks in a year is Walker, and he did it just once. Said one offensive coordinator whose team faced the Texans earlier this year: "No one in that front seven scares you. They're really not that athletic, not nearly as versatile as the better (3-4) teams in the league."

    It would seem that Payne & Walker may be 2 of front 7 that have gotten old fast.
     
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    That was just his signing bonus. It could turn out to be a huge mistake. I thought it then and I think it even more now. He will have to play three more years at a higher level than he is now to meet the value of the contract IMO. That is, if they did a standard proration of his signing bonus for cap purposes.
     
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    If we keep getting better maybe next year we can be ranked 29th in defense and have 21 sacks. :slap:
     
  7. ArlingtonTexan

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    Well, if I am not mistaken he has been injured also for sometime and I think he hasn't been the same player since. We might be able to get another year or so out of him where he produces great numbers.
     


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    I'm telling you, Marcus Spears, DE from LSU. That's the guy we want in the draft.
     
  10. rhc564

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    Look at the bright side-- all these problems we have now (and yes there
    are many) are going to go away because next year is our 4 th year and
    a lot of people have promised a winning team, maybe even playoffs.
    So, sit back and relax, and watch the magic begin... :jumpbanan
     
  11. nunusguy

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    "But the playmakers in the 3-4 defense are the linebackers, especially hybrid defenders on the edge, guys who perhaps were 245-pound ends in college but who can convert to playing in a two-point stance."
    OK Len, tell us something we didn't know. We've got a couple young guys (Babin & Peek), who fit that description but they are still adapting to their new positions.
    In the meantime, the D played a very good game Sunday. Think how good they would be if we had used the #1 and #3 overall in the 2002 and 2003 college drafts, respectively, on defensive personnel.
    Clearly, the offense is more to blame for us not being > 5-8 than the defense.
    Here's another ESPN story about the 3-4 (but this time SD), and includes some very glowing remarks about Steve Foley. How did we ever let that guy
    slip thru our fingers ?
    "Look at Steve Foley," Edwards said. "He's about 270 pounds and he can move. He can get back in coverage when necessary and he can rush the quarterback."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1940744
     
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    Our offense does deserve plenty of the blame, but compare the NFL experience that our offense has to our defense. Our defense should be playing better because we have veterans and former pro bowlers on that side of the ball. 30th ranked defense in the NFL. :bag:
     
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    any rookie will still be a couple of years from making an impact, we need a big time free agent and a rookie to groom, our whole front 7 is lacking, Babin and Smith, and Sharper are the only 3 that are worth keeping. Payne should be let go after the season.
     
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    There is a certain irony to punching the Texans D the week after they limited the Colts to their lowest score of the season.

    Saw a good point somewhere today--Scouts, Inc. I believe--that the Texans D isn't as flabby as the stats reflect because of 13 games, 6 have been against the league's top 5 offenses--Indyx2, Denver, Minnesota, Green Bay and Kansas City.
     
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    Why? He's our best D-linemen this year. He has more sacks and tackles than Walker and Smith.
     
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    "Houston has surrendered, on average, 13.6 fewer yards per game, but 0.2 more points per outing, than in 2003. The team has 18 sacks, just one shy of its total for the entire 2003 season, but still far less than the gaudy numbers that Capers' defenses once produced, like when the Pittsburgh Steelers collected 55 quarterback kills in 1994 or the Jacksonville Jaguars 57 in 1999."

    Considering the injury problems last year, the talent infusion this year, along with another year of experience in this system, those numbers represent a huge disapointment. Let's face it. Walker looks like he is 59, Payne is not the same player he was. Sharper, our best LB is not the beast everyone thinks he is. He is a solid LB, but not a true playmaker in the 3-4. The secondary is the strength of the D imo, but with little in the way of a rush, they will get toasted. I would prefer we scrap the thing now, and build a solid 4-3 from the ground up. I didn't like the 3-4 idea when we started the franchise, and I like it even less now. And yes, I realize that means growing pains. Don't worry, it won't happen anyway. I'm venting. :hairpull:
     
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    oh well, good locker room material

    P.S. i bet that O-Coordinator was Linehan up in minny
     
  18. ArlingtonTexan

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    Between the two articles i got the sense that the 3-4 either works really Ravens, Patriots, chargers, Steelers or not at all Texans, Raiders. The biggest difference is in personnel. In one of the article it was either implied or directly said that with 6 teams running the defense (all AFC ironically) the other teams now see it enough where you just out schemem them. Also, some of the draft advantages will disappear when more teams run the defense.
     
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    Payne is the best Dline this season, and what about Peek? Why is everyone on this message board so bipolar all the time. One day they hate the team, the next they love it. One day they say peek sucks and cant stop the run, the next day they love how he played and say he should be a starter, then now he shouldnt even be kept on the team? Some of these people on here need to make up their minds. Ridiculous
     
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    another thing, the article talks about how none of the linebackers have ever had a 10 or more sack season? well two of our 5 just got into the NFL, babin and peek. And then you have three middle linebackers basically playing in sharper, foreman and wong(who played MLB in minn.) How many middle linebackers really get 10 or more sacks a season? So even though the article points out a truth that not enough sacks are made, it skews what the texans have. Also, it fails to point out all the INTs they have. You can always believe everything that you read and expect it to be completely true.
     

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