DT in 1st rd.

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  1. beerlover

    beerlover Site Contributor

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    This is where my interest resides given the surplus of talent in this years draft which could enable Texans to still get a highly rated player who fills a need. I'm looking @ one tech-three tech-five tech combos who are both versatile, premium sized for position, low risk & solidify interior as well protect edges.

    What do you guys feel about Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State? Strong, bull rusher, collapse/compress pocket, requires double teams, adds depth @ razor thin position & allows Texans to move Cody island. He is a combo 1-3 tech.
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    Kawaan Short has more explosive compact body who could also is a 1-3 combo DL. He is probably the most plus pass rusher for nose, but decent in run support but not the space eater of Hankins or Jenkins.
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    Dante Jones, is a 5 tech but could kick inside once he fills in his frame. Fast riser who before Senior Bowl had a 2nd/3rd grade based on a disappointing season with UCLA. Once in mobile he show cased best power/strength combo I've seen in this class. Huge hands, explosive first step plays big. Would bookend Watt, provide excellent depth, high ceiling DL.
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    John Jenkins, 6-3/359, Defensive Tackle. Georgia

    John Jenkins Scouting Report by Charlie Campbell - more info at link

    Strengths:
    • Overwhelming size and strength
    • Can't be moved off line of scrimmage
    • Tremendous run-defender
    • Surprising explosiveness
    • Extremely rare athlete
    • Good quickness
    • Quick feet
    • Good get off
    • Can collapse the pocket as a pass-rusher
    • Fabulous bull rush
    • Huge bulk
    • Constantly fills his gap
    • Very agile
    • Requires multiple blockers
    • Perfect fit as a zero-technique in a 3-4
    • Ready to play immediately in the NFL
    • Incredibly hard to move at line of scrimmage
    • Scheme versatility
    Weaknesses:
    • Not much pass-rushing production
    • Conditioning
    • Will need to be rotated to stay fresh
    • Motor?
     
  3. badboy

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    I have yet to see Jenkins play a good game. In Senior Bowl he looked every pound of his weight. In my eval I wrote "fat, slow= no." Brandon Williams otoh looked quick and strong at 341lbs. I am down to three DTs: Short, B Williams and Sylvester Williams.
     
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    I think something like this will help Jj Watt be Jj Watt in 2013, & it's very important to this team that Jj Watt is Jj Watt in 2013.

    Of the three you mentioned, I like the versatility of Jones, but a 1-3 tech would give us extra insurance in case Antonio Smith can't repeat his 2012 season.

    But I like the idea of a 1-3 tech as opposed to getting a guy to replace Cody.... get someone who'll stay on the field more often & contribute.
     
  5. beerlover

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    So busy, not much time around here lately but most intriguing aspect of this years Superbowl were the physical match-ups across both sides of each team. It was a battle in those trenches, both sides not giving an inch, fists, elbows, knees, feet you name it. To me that is what defines playoff/Super Bowl combatants. Texans just wore down 3/4 through season, not enough depth & JJ amazing as he is had to be running on fumes & desire. The DL is a source of possible immediate improvement given strength of position in this years draft. IMO.
     
  6. steelbtexan

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    Give me Jones

    He can help provide pressure that the Texans are sorely lacking. Watt/Jones = pass rush. He would be my pick if he were there at 27. (Doubtful)

    Even though I'm an all offense guy in the 1st three rds. Jones is the exception to this rule for me.
     
  7. Playoffs

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    The guys at Walter Football saw it differently:
    And they're even saying he's on the Texan's radar, "I've been told that John Jenkins is a strong option for the Texans at No. 27 if they can't land one of the two SEC linebackers... "
     
  8. Wolf6151

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    Star Lotulelei, OMG I see why this guy is so highly rated. I haven't really watched tape on him until recently because he was out of our range, but he'd be a guy that if he fell out of the top 15 for some reason I'd trade up to get him.

    Johnathan Hankins, I haven't looked at him much and don't know much about him, I always considered him out of our range at #27.

    Kawann Short, this has been my guy for us at NT since TC began. He's got the base/foundation (hips, butt, and legs) and strength to anchor well and hold up to the double teams while also having good straight line speed to pursue the QB, and enough lateral agility to play the run. In our 1 gap system he's perfect. I think Short would also free us up to use Mitchell in the DE rotation and some special D-line lineups thus bringing more size to the D-line when needed.

    Datone Jones, IMO is to small for 3-4 DE duties. At 274 lbs. he's more of a 4-3 DE or if he loses 15 lbs. and can gain some speed maybe he's a 3-4 OLB. He'd have to add 20 lbs. to play 3-4 DE and I wonder what that kind of added weight would do to his speed and athleticism. Plus he'd only be depth at DE behind Antonio and we need some size added to our D-line at NT.

    Jesse Williams, could also be a serious candidate for the Texans. Jesse is probably the strongest NT candidate and a more traditional NT that handles double teams and plays the run while collapsing the middle of the QB pocket. He's got great strength and good straight line speed, but I think he lacks some of the lateral agility/athleticism that Short or Sylvester Williams has.

    Sylvester Williams, is more of a speed rusher with good moves, a penetrating NT candidate, or 4-3 DT as well. He lacks the strength of Jesse Williams or Short but has better athleticism/agility and quickness than they do. He could be good for the Texans but I think a good S&C program would help him alot and there'd be a big difference in his 2nd season.

    John Jenkins, I read the same thing that Playoffs just posted. I can see him in our system but I think the Texans would have him drop at least 20-25 lbs. and an NFL level strength and conditioning program plus the southeast Texas summer heat would probably melt that weight off quickly with the right nutrition. I think he's got the strength and size to be a very good traditional NT.

    Brandon Williams, another guy that I don't know alot about. The limited film I've seen of him, he looks slow but holds up to double teams well and plays the run well, but lacks the athleticism/agility. The Senior Bowl writeups were fantastic. I worry about the step up from D-2 ball to the NFL.



    I think it all depends on what type of NT you want for the Texans. Luckily Wade seems to be able to adapt his defense to the type of players we have and not the other way around. I also think that with the structured and disciplined team we've got almost any player we pick will fall in line and learn to be a Texan through hard work. Lets face it any NT we pick is going to have JJ on one side of him, the Ninja on the other side, and a berserk Cushing behind him, he'd be to afraid not to give 100% effort.
     
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    This falls right in with my line of thinking. I just started watching Hankins fopr the same reason. So far he looks good. Don't see the lack of effort I have read in a couple of places. The only knock I have so far is that he tends to lean forward too much at times and lose his balance. Needs to learn better technique to stay low to keep his center of gravity.

    Dude moves really well for his size. It's actually pretty impressive. Still I would rather have Short as of now. His penetrating ability is what I like for this defense. IMO having 3 DL that can get penatration is key to taking this defense to the next level. Thats just my preference. I won't be upset if Wades preference leans towards a Hankins. I can't wait for the combine.
     
  10. CloakNNNdagger

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    This one has more than a chance to be the "sleeper" of the DT Draft.....for sure if he makes it into the 2nd round. He's far from slow and has the motor, the work ethic and mean streak we need to "enforce."




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  11. beerlover

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    From what I've seen Brandon does have a high motor. He uses leverage to his advantage with strong lower body & bubble butt. Seems to have about three pretty good pass rush moves, spin, good rip/chop & bull rush. sort of a thrashing buzz saw on steroids. Given level of play against inferior competition I think teams will tread lightly not to over price his draft grade based off Poe last season. I do like his potential, long term with that work ethic he could be a solid pick in the 2nd. More physical, explosive, yet similar version to Earl Mitchell who Texans drafted in the 3rd.

    I'll tell you the real sleeper is for DT class but he shouldn't be because he played @ Penn State & that is Jordan Hill. 6' 1" 1/2 294. Very quick & could also solidify DE with Crick. That is four solid DE's with a couple who can also kick inside, nullifying the need to draft a pure 1 gap NT.

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    I like a lot of the nt prospects,but looking at the guys availible in free agency , id rather go get one of those guys. Terrance Knighton and sammy lee hill are 2 guys who will be fairly cheap. The beauty is both are 26 yrs old. Texans could probably offer 5 yrs 17m with 6m guarantee.
     
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    The texans have missed twice with previous defensive tackles in first round, so I'm a little nervous on picking that position in first. But it would be nice having someone disruptive next to Watt. It just seems DT 's have a higher bust factor than other positions.
     
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    He may have had a good practise week but if they think he had a good game....
     
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    I was impressed with Jenkins, multiple games while @ Georgia against SEC competition. Even mocked him to the Texans couple months ago but that was before he got stupid (guessing he contacted an agent) besides just stopping taking classes, all the while saying he was returning to Georgia. Once busted he was ruled ineligible for bowl game, hence early declaration for the draft. Red flag for me, I can't see how he could still be on the Texans draft board, character is too important despite physical attributes. He is nothing more than a run plugger anyway, nose tackle only doesn't bring multiplicity.
     
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    Yep, remember our discussions. I think there are better options at Nose. Your other info should pretty much rule him out.
     
  17. mussop

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    I have moved him up to 4th on my DT's list.
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    Short
    Hankins
    B Williams
    I can see him going in the first round.
     
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    as per walterfootball's website

    "I've been told that John Jenkins is a strong option for the Texans at No. 27 if they can't land one of the two SEC linebackers".
     
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    What are your guys thoughts on Sharrif Floyd and Sheldon Richardson?
     
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    I'd run to the podium if Sheldon Richardson were available to us at #27, but it ain't happening. He and Watt on the same D-line would almost be illegal. He'd be a stud at 3-4 DE, we could release Antonio, and might be a JJ clone.

    I think Floyd is more of a 4-3 UT and will make some team very happy, just not right for our system.
     

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