Drafting with Vince Young in mind

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  1. Marcus

    Marcus Ruthless pragmatist

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    McNair made a comment last season that one of the reasons for drafting Mario, was to put pressure on Manning. As we all know, the jury is still out on the wisdom of that decision. (putting it mildly)

    So, taking this year's draft, and if you could choose a player in this draft that would give you the best shot at helping contain Vince's running, who would that be? Afterall, we do play him twice a year.

    Landry, Nelson, Willis, Hall, Anderson, . . . who else comes to mind?
     
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    take a safety with enough range to snare the many ducks he'll be lobbing up.
     
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    My two canidates for anti Vincent weaponery is Okoye and Black the speedy 240 LB from New Mexico.
    Quincy Black http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=61357


    http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/10023350
    60 shuttle

    1. Quincy Black New Mexico 11.23
    2. Dallas Sartz USC 11.34
    3. Paul Posluszny Penn State 11.42
    4. Justin Durant Hampton 11.44
    5. Zak Deossie Brown 11.50

    Broad Jump
    1. Quincy Black New Mexico 10'4"
    2. Juwan Simpson Alabama 10'3"
    3. Lawrence Timmons Florida St. 10'3"
    4. Antwan Barnes Florida Int. 10'2"

    Vertical
    1. Quincy Black New Mexico 41 1/2
    2. Patrick Willis Mississippi 39
    3. Jon Abbate Wake Forest 38 1/2
    4. Rory Johnson Mississippi 38
    5. Paul Posluszny Penn State 37

    Quincy Black New Mexico 24 reps

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    1. Quincy Black New Mexico 4.42
    2. Antwan Barnes Florida Int. 4.43
    3. Justin Durant Hampton 4.51
    4. Chad Nkang Elon 4.51
    5. Tim Shaw Penn State 4.51
    7. Patrick Willis Mississippi 4.51
    6. Juwan Simpson Alabama 4.55
    8. Zak Deossie Brown 4.58
     
  4. Vinny

    Vinny shiny happy fan Staff Member

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    no pass rush = more losing. If we have another year with the leading sacker having less than 5 sacks...it will be a long year.
     
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    I'm going to think out of the box here and assert that the best way to contain the likes of Young (who I'm still not sold on) and Manning is Adrian Peterson. We saw it against the Colts, the best defense is clock management.

    Now, the chances of Peterson being there at 10 are as likely as the chances of us winning the Super Bowl this year, so someone more reasonable (and likely) is Reggie Nelson. He can provide help in coverage and is athletic enough to chase down Young if he decides to scramble.
     
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    I don't think one single player is going to help us contain Vince...

    That's going to take a total defensive effort...
     
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    I was thinking Landry, since he's better against the run than Nelson.
     
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    Okoye is the man we need to be praying for at the 10 spot. I am going to make it my personal mission until draft day to convince everyone of this. People need to do more research on him....he has both the potential AND productivity factors working for him (For Christ's sake he is 19 and played 4 years of college). But....I highly doubt he will be there at 10 when it is all said and done. As far as linebackers go, I personally don't think we use an aggressive enough linebacker scheme to really warrant spending high picks and huge money on a sack specialist there.
     
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    No argument there. I still can't figure out why everyone thinks the secondary is so bad when we have yet to get pressure with only four down linemen.
     
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    The same reason everyone thought David Carr was so bad when we had no cohesiveness on the O-line and no solid running game...


    The secondary has a lot to do with not getting many sacks as well...If the recievers are well covered the QB has to hold it longer.

    Mark Brunnell ate us up, and that had nothing to do with the D-line not getting pressure.
     
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    Screw Vince. Once he's got the Titans at the top of the division, then we can start "drafting to contain him"

    We need to focus on getting to the QB, regardless who he is, and stopping the run.

    We can go 14-2 getting swept by the Titans, and still win the division.

    Or we can go 2-14 sweeping the Titans, and debate about who we'll select with the #1 overall.

    Planning to beat the Colts, is planning to beat one of the best teams in the NFL year in, and year out. If you can beat the Colts with consistency, you can beat anybody, on any given day.
     
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    Chicken and the egg. It is an endless debate and the truth probably lies somewhere inbetween. There are a few things to consider though

    (1) the injuries our DL sustained last season. We ended the season with one starter on the DL that started in week 1 and he had been playing on one leg half the season.

    (2) Listen to what the players have to say. In the recent interview that was posted, Ryans said that if he could address any position on the defense in the draft, what would it be? He said safety and LB. He said he would draft S in the first and try and address LB through FA. If DeMeco feels that the DL is adequate I have no problem taking a S in the first and trying to find a pass rush specialist in the later rounds.
     
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    i think the proof is in the pudding. the pressure of your front 7 is more important than the play of the secondary.
     
  14. real

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    Forget a pass rush specialist...We already have one...or we already have someone who is supposed to be one...

    We need a DE opposite Mario that can rush the passer AND stop the run...
     
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    Brunell had all day to throw the ball whenever we didn't blitz. He even had all day to throw when we rushed 5. When we rushed 6 or more, that forced single man coverage. Manufacturing a rush by the blitz is always going to put extra pressure on the secondary.

    I call that hanging them out to dry.
     
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    Maybe the reason the shceme is so vinilla is because no one has the tallent, in their current positions to get there. Black has the numbers to be a mind boggeling weapon. Chances are he's going to be gone early in day two. if he's not and on the board with the fourth pick....that's a lot of atheltism to leave on the ground is all I know. If nothing else, we go nickle...the only two backers in the game for my team would be Meco to drop and Black to spy or rush. Agreed on Okoye...no one on tennesse's o-line can match the kids first step. Few NFL LGs will match it. He makes a great d-line compliment to Mario.
     
  17. NEROtheZERO

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    Mario is the guy that can stop the run and rush the passer.

    If we were to address the line with the first pick it would be at T to create a vacuum for our guys on the outside. But, as I said, if DeMeco's happy with the front four (relative to the secondary that is), I'll tend to side with him.
     
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    heck I dunno. 4.42 we teach the kid to block maybe we work him in as the RB3 WR2, lol.
     
  19. real

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    I'm sorry but I just don't agree....


    I'm not saying we don't need a better pass rush...because we do...

    I just think that most of the passes caught on us last year were the fault of the secondary and not because we couldn't generate a great pass rush...
     
  20. real

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    I'm not too excited about any of the DT's coming out this year other than Okoye....

    And I'm not really sure what you're saying when you say Mario is the guy that can stop the run and the passer...

    Just adding a pass rush specialist opposite Mario would be a mistake IMO.
     

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