Does Matty Need to Watch From The Sidelines Sunday?

Discussion in 'Texans Talk' started by GP, Dec 25, 2012.

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Does Matt need to sit, even for just the 1st half, of the Colts game?

Poll closed Jan 4, 2013.
  1. Yes, I think a small amount of being "sat" can help everyone

    10.5%
  2. No, he needs the reps and needs to work through it NOW.

    69.8%
  3. It doesn't matter either way, there are too many other issues going on

    19.8%
  1. GP

    GP Go Texans!

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    Does Kubiak need to let Matt stand and watch? I think he does.

    I think it needs to be for his own good. Not as punishment. Not to shame him. But as an effort to make him watch instead of being caught up in the same cycle of lack of forward progress that he's been caught up in since the two OT games. I think those games zapped his mental reserve, if you will.

    Let the guy watch, make him witness another QB and see the game as it happens instead of being in the heat of the battle every snap. Then plug him into the game after the half. Get that whole team settled down, because I think the team is taking a bit of a hit to their psyche because of Schaub right now.
     
  2. Playoffs

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    No.

    He's the best QB on the team.
     
  3. GP

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    Plus, he'll be "coaching up" Yates, which MIGHT make Schuab more receptive to his own teachings.

    Sometimes being placed into the role of "teacher" makes you re-think things yourself. It can remind you of your own failures to do what you're teaching others to do or not to do. You know what I am saying? If I am teaching people how to do something, in terms of how to use technology, and it dawns on me--during that part of the lesson--that I'm not doing, in my own life, what I am teaching others to do for themselves...it tends to creep in and become a bit of a changing moment for me. I have to reconcile that I am not doing as I say.

    Just a thought.

    It sure seems like Matt has been way WAY lost since the two OT games.
     
  4. GP

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    But not even for a half? And not as a way to create a QB controversy.

    Really it's just 30 minutes of time to reflect and to see things from a different angle. I think the guy is sort of dealing with vertigo right now, he doesn't know what is up and what is down.

    And I think it's messing with the heads of every single player on this team not named JJ Watt and Andre Johnson.
     
  5. Norg

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    Not just NO BUT HELL NO !!!!

    We are playing for a BYE and HFA throught ...Time is not the time to change QB's and go with Yates ...Yates are u kidding me and i think hes good but come on man

    ILL SAY AGAIN WE ARE PLAYING FOR BYE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is a big game from here on out we gotta live or die with Schaub get over it haters

    4 good or bad all our questions and answers will come to light come playoffs
     
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  6. IlliniJen

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    This is a crucial game for us to get a first round bye and home field or nothing. You don't sit your starting QB in a game like that. You don't sit your starting QB in the last game before you head into the playoffs with so much at stake.

    What sort of xmas weed are you smoking that this even was a kernel of an idea?
     
  7. Showtime100

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    No. That would disrupt the offense even more to say nothing of the big slimy can of worms/media fodder it would open up heading into the playoffs.

    The way I see it is if it's broke, don't make it even broker. :gamer: :D
     
  8. GP

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    Ya know, you make those same derisive comments in game day threads and then disappear when we end up being proven right.

    Selective posting is a nasty habit, Jen.

    Just think about it, and try to not be insulting for once in your life. OK? OK.

    I haven't seen anything of Schaub since the last OT game he played that tells me Schaub is capable of gutting this out by just hanging in there. In fact, his pattern has been that he's going to try and force MORE things which means a complete meltdown of Matt Schaub Schitty Throw (patented and copyrighted, btw) of epic proportions.

    There is no pressure on a guy like Yates if he knows he's only managing the game for ONE HALF versus the Colts. Big damn deal. It gives Matt a breather and conveys to him that he needs to slow it down and think a little.

    That's why I voted the way I did. I'd like someone to offer more than just 'He's our best QB" argument. So far, I see nothing BUT that. And truthfully, he's running neck and neck with Yates right now in my book.
     


  9. mussop

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    All I know is he played like a scared little school girl in that last game. If at the first sign of pressure he fetals up against Indy his ass needs to be pulled. Kubiak needs to get in his ear and ask him how bad he wants to win. You can say what you want about the blocking up front in the Minnesota game, Schaub packed it in. He played like a :kitten:.
     
  10. GP

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    Well, we could always have the team's officials lie and say he had a slight problem with his heartbeat like we did with Foster.

    I mean, seriously, I don't buy that load of crap from the Texans for one second. He was benched for his fumble. Period. The cover story is to save face in the media.

    So, you might be right. They would have to find a convenient excuse as to why they sat Schaub, otherwise it would be bad P.R. and we know the Texans cannot endure THAT! LOL. No sir, that would be outlandish to do so.

    Gotta' keep a good face before the media, that's always been the McNair way...even if it means choking on our own vomit along the way.
     
  11. Wolf

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    No and it would create a controversy in someone's mind. It wold be an unnecessary distraction when this is the last thing a team needs on the last week of the season and right before the playoffs
     
  12. Norg

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    so your saying if we get a big enough lead by the 2nd half u want us to sit our starters is that what your saying ...????
     
  13. GP

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    Well then, if the NFL world is THAT small of a place...I need to find a new sport to follow.

    I just don't see how a very plainly stated position wouldn't be respected.

    I guess image is everything. Which explains why this team can't get over the top.

    Can I ask one thing: Tell me what series of possessions since the OT games you've seen of Schaub that tells you he's got this under control and can continue 'as is'? Not being snarky. I genuinely want to know reasons or examples.
     
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    On Sunday, TJ was in for two plays... and he fumbled on both of them. He has a QB rating of 11. ELEVEN!

    I'm not even going to dignify this absurd poll with a vote.
     
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  15. Wolf

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    Team is struggling right now. You ride with the horses the got you there at this point.

    Tj isn't the answer. What has he shown? This team has average high 20s in points through out the season. Yeah we scored 6 points last week ,which surprised the **** out of me. Anyway nothing against TJ but I honestly haven't seen anything but admiral job last year to holding the fort down.


    Reminds me of the joke.

    What is the most popular player on the team?

    The back up QB
     
  16. IlliniJen

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    It's selective posting because I can't read everything on this board, but your posts are usually the most depressing chicken-little threads ever created. But if I point that out, I'm calling you a bad fan, right? Regarding any of that: put on your big girl panties and learn to cope. I don't think you're a ****ty fan, you're just a whiny one who runs around with your hair on fire when the team plays bad. That is a sucky attitude. People can be down about the team and point out flaws, but some people take it way overboard, and come off like doomsday loons regarding this team. That's the bucket I put you in. Sorry dude.

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    Threads like this is why 99.9999% of fans are unqualified to do anything but WATCH football.

    Is Schaub perfect? No. Is he elite? No. Is NOW, right NOW, the correct time to try and make a switch to a different QB? Hells no. Crack rock smokin'.

    We are 13-3. If you took your idea of benching Schaub to any professional NFL player, coach or commentator, you would be laughed at, and rightfully so. Your idea seems punitive, nothing more. It will teach him nothing, we will learning nothing new about Yates, and the team would scratch its head and wonder what the hell is going on.

    There is NOTHING positive with doing something like this. Our team is experiencing some issues, not just with QB play, but all over the field, and you don't pull some idiotic move like benching your starting QB in order to "fix" something. The only fix is people playing better, both in individual effort, and as a group. Our OL is the most troubling issue right now, not the QB. QBs don't function well behind a shaky OL. The running game can't get going behind that OL. And what is Kubes doing? Running Foster up the gut into the backs of an OL that isn't getting any push or opening any holes.

    And how, exactly, does benching Schaub fix any of those issues? I think our team is probably reeling a little bit from our recent troubles, and doing anything that hurts the morale of this team and makes them question the sanity of the coaching staff (aside from Kubiak's horrible playcalling) would make everyone in the country point at us and laugh like we just pissed ourselves while standing outside a restroom.

    Schaub is not the QB we want...very few teams have the QB they want, but he's the QB we have and can be successful if other aspects of the game are working well. The basic fundamentals of the game call for a good OL with the ability to establish the run in order to open up the passing game. If that's working, QBs have an easier job, and Schaub is one of those guys who HAS to be comfortable and get in his rhythm to be effective. Do I like this limitation of us and the way he stiffens up and forces things when the OL/RBs aren't effective early? Hell no. We've seen that if we start off slow and we have issues getting a rush going, we will likely lose if going against a team that can score. We can't play from behind if we haven't put up over 20 points already.

    But that unfortunate situation has happened only 3 times so far this season, with a few wins that presented a challenge due to our D falling down a bit. So to change things with the very last game meaning so much to our team, you go with your best chance of winning, and in 13 instances we won with Schaub and only lost 3 times. You make the smart play. Like, for instance, if you're on the goal line, you should PROBABLY run the damn ball to get the TD. Unless you're Kubiak. But I digress.

    You don't set yourself on fire, run around like a chicken with your head cut off and burn everything to the ground in the face of adversity. Damn. Half the league would love to have Schaub as their QB. That doesn't make him great or elite, but that means we're heading to the playoffs once again. If Schaub starts stumbling next year, then there might be a time to see Yates to mix things up. I'm far more concerned with our line play on both sides of the ball.
     
  17. Thorn

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    I voted option 3 because we should be able to beat the Colts either way. If we can't, then it doesn't matter. If I was the head coach, I wouldn't sit Matt, and you can bet he will start and play to the very end no matter what the score. The offense is going backwards at exactly the wrong time here, while the defense seems to be at least stablized or slightly improving.

    Defense does win championships, but not against Manning or Brady. You need both to beat those guys.
     
  18. Texecutioner

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    Have to agree with ya on this one.

    Why in the hell would we put our starting QB on the sidelines to embarrass him like that and take away his confidence and the team's confidence in him right before the playoffs?? That would break our entire team apart and have everyone questioning the future of this team. The Texans are 12-3 with the best record in the NFL other then the Falcons with Matt Schaub. GP, I love you man but this is by far one of the craziest things you have ever suggested and a total knee jerk reaction especially after by your own admission yates looked horrible in pre season. You're completely giving up on our season when we're having the best season we've ever had. I'll enjoy it while I still have a chance to.
     
  19. Lurvinator11

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    This is a dumb question.

    It would be one thing if we were already out of the playoffs, and had big questions about the future. We aren't. We are playing for the #1 seed, and will have a home playoff game, and maybe more. If anything, let Schaub play so he can feel comfortable with himself.

    The guy played a bad game. His worst of the season. What would that do to his moral if he were to be benched? Mentally, he wouldn't be the same. Let him play, and he could possibly go in to the playoffs feeling better about his ability.

    Although, if he were to play a bad game, I wouldn't doubt his ability to get his head back in the game anyway. He is a mentally tough QB, and is a good leader.

    Seriously, this entire board has been acting like we are outside of the playoff bubble with a huge scenario to get in. The sky is not falling. It is not.
     
  20. JCTexan

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    Put me in the "This is a stupid idea" group. This team is playing for the #1 seed. Benching Schaub and playing Yates for even a half can ruin the Texans Super Bowl chances this season (#3 seed would mean traveling to NE for the divisional round). This has to be the craziest idea I've heard...
     

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