Do we underestimate Smithiak?? And is Peyton Manning the Best Ever

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  1. nytexan

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    I was just reading a recent article by Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News and he stated the 2009 draft was the weakest draft year EVER. I couldn't help but think of the talent the Texans have added under Kubiak and who Smith picked up alone in the 2009 draft and free agency.

    Cushing, Barwin (injury besides the point), starting Right Guard Caldwell, starting CB Quin, special teams gem Thor, 3rd CB McCain, an upcoming safety in Nolan, undrafted FA pickup halfback A. Foster, starting DE-DT A. Smith and picked up from the scrap heap Pollard. Holy smoly from the weakest draft ever these guys may have a draft class that may match our 2006 class. Pretty impressive I think especially if you include the free agent pickups. Does anybody wonder why we look so much better this year so far??

    On another note, although it was so good to finally beat the Colts, can anyone remember a QB having such a great game while getting the pressure and getting beat up as much as Manning did Sunday?? 430 yards passing and you just know he woke up Monday morning looking for the Advil bottle after the hits he took the day before. Love em or hate em, that was an impressive performance and even if his defense looked like they threw in the towel in the 4th quarter, he never really gave up and was rallying the troops on the sideline late in that game. I may have been as impressed with this guy in a loss than I have ever been of him in a win. I don't get mushy over the opposition often but that's one of the reason's I'm so impessed with the Texans' win Sunday.
     
  2. DexmanC

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    To your questions:

    Smithiak: So far, so good in 2010

    Peyton: NO quarterback could've performed the way he did under the same
    circumstances.
     
  3. TexansFanatic

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    Regarding Smithiak: I can't speak for anyone else, but consider me someone who is very impressed and pleased with the job these guys have done in assembling a really nice roster-----what may wind up being the core of a dynasty.
     
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    The '09 drat looks GREAT for the Texans and way back in '93 or so Joe Montana beat the Oilers with a performance of the ages. He was sacked like 13 times and had a lump the size of a grapefruit hanging off of his throwing elbow.
     
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    In direct answer to the thread title: Yes & Yes.

    I'm on record as having believed that Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith were going about building the team they wanted from day one. Read Rick Smith's assessment to Bob *Cheap SOB* McNair when they were on the practice field soon after being hired. He was correct then, and he's (and Gary Kubiak) done what they set out to do. Cutting the crop is the absolute worse thing McNair could have done at the end of last season. He didn't get where he is by being stupid. (I guess he did it by being cheap :roast:) Folks, we have had the pleasure and privilege of watching a dynasty being built from the ground up. Our Houston Texans will be in the fore front of proffesional football for a long, long time. Hide-n-watch. :D

    As far as #18 goes...IMHO he's probably the best to ever go under center. 1st ballot HOF'er. No doubt.
     
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    Let's separate Smith from Kubiak.

    Smith: A genius. Period.

    Kubiak: Jury still out. Smart, very intelligent, but coaching still needs work. He's had one outstanding game, and he deserves credit and appears to be learning, but we'll see.
     
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  7. TexansFanatic

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    Smith isn't assembling the roster on his own.
     
  8. Thorn

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    Smithiak is building a good team, just not fast enough for me. I would love to eat my words on that this season.

    If Peyton Manning isn't the greatest QB ever, there isn't a very long line in front of him. What Peyton Manning IS though is the greatest field general at the QB position to play the game.
     
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    I posted this on coltfreaks.com when I started seeing "kill manning" threads.

    Best ever in my not so humble opinion.

    Mike
     
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    Of course not. Kubiak has influence for sure. And, Kubiak can recognize talent for the most part.

    But can he COACH that same talent?

    Jury is still out.

    If the season tanks and someone has to be fired, it will be either Kubiak or Smith. Who do you think it will likely be?

    Here's a hint: Not Smith.

    And, did you read the WSJ story on Foster? He talked about how Rick Smith had a little talk with him and that gave him some insight. Bernard Pollard said the same thing, and I think a couple of other players have mentioned Rick Smith talks. What in the world is Rick Smith saying to these guys to get them re-focused and motivated?
     
  11. Scooter

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  13. TexansFanatic

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    Right, but the question in the original post concerns assessment and acquisition of talent, not coaching.

    And while the 2009 draft is an excellent example of how Smith and Kubiak are able to find kernals of greatness in a heap of garbage, the 2006 draft is what most people typically point to as the turning point in the Texans development as a legitimate contender and Rick Smith was not a member of the organization at that point---but Kubiak was.
     
  14. Scooter

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    yes and yes.

    i think we only need to look closer at our roster to realize how much we underestimate kubiak and smith. we have 1 player who's been part of the texans past 2006. much or possibly most of our roster hasnt been in the league since 2006. how can we have such high expectations for a team full of players that new to the franchise and that young in general without recognizing the guys who brought them in. beyond that, look at how mature and high character these guys are while also being that talented. look at how fast they're developing into the team we're yelling "playoffs or bust" about. with so many new studs from only last season as the original post points out, yeah i dont think they get enough credit.

    this team isnt even in it's prime yet ... think on that.

    manning's gone no worse than 12-4 since his sophmore season and has yet to miss a game. he leads a team that would be in last place with almost any other quarterback into a team threatening a perfect season every other year.
     
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    It's too early to make that assessment on the 2009 draft class. But yes, the Texans got more than their fair share out of that draft.

    That's not possible. Smith doesn't make decisions in a vacuum.

    Right. Kubiak tells Smith what he needs, Smith sifts through scouting reports, and together they make the decision. Smith wouldn't be here if not for Kubiak. Both of them know that.
     
  16. TexansFanatic

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    Yep. It's a unique Head Coach/General Manager relationship.

    More typical is for the GM to hire the coach. In this instance, the coach hired the GM.

    Usually the GM is considered the coach's boss. In this instance, the coach is the GM's boss.

    I don't think Smith would have had nearly as much success with the Texans without Kubiak's help. But the 2006 draft shows us that Kubiak can do quite well without Smith.
     
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    Fair or not GM's, coaches, teams, and players are judged upon how many playoff victories and super bowls they've won. So far, Rick Smith, Gary Kubiak and Co. have done a decent job of drafting. But ultimately it'll come down to how many playoff wins and championships they'll bring to Houston. And I don't think that an unfair standard to have. The goal is and should be to win the super bowl every year otherwise its not worth it. That's jmho.
     
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    I don't know, it seems pretty obvious that both gents have their areas of expertise when it comes to this team. It seems more like their working relationship is one of equals, and not one being higher than the other.
     
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    Do not disagree with your statement. As to the bolded, pull your seat up close because it's going to be happening every Sunday! :fans:
     
  20. TexansFanatic

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    I agree with you---they clearly work extremely well together.

    But in any organization there's a hierarchy.

    If there is a disagreement between the two of them, whose decision do you think trumps whose? I'd go with Kubiak.
     

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