Deuce + Bush...for how long?

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  1. TexansSeminole

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    They both have $50 million dollar contracts, so, IMO they can't stay together for long. Obviously if one of them goes it is going to be Deuce, it wouldn't make much sence to draft Reggie Bush and then trade him away.

    How long do you think these two will be on the same team? If Deuce leaves do you think it will be through trade or will he be cut? What kind of impact on the team will losing Deuce have?

    I am intersted in all your thoughts.
     
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    RB has yet to impress me when he lines up in the backfield. Of course he's a threat outside, but do you really want your main horse (assuming DM leaves) not being able to make yards through the middle?

    Westbrook is the only other player I liken to Bush, but he can move the pile and get tough yards whereas Bush cannot.
     
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    Then how did he get over 100 yards against the Giants this year? Magic?
     
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    The Giants had the top defense in the league.
     
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    That contract is nearly perfect for a running back from the team's standpoint. Duece will hit 30 about the time that cap hit become manageable.

    I don't think you will see the team trade Duece. The way the Saints are using both Duece and Bush is best for both players. The Saints use a playermaker, and while they probably want a few more bid plays from Reggie he is getting the ball the right amount of times and in situations that make the most of his talent. The extra say 50-75 carries that Duece is not getting might extend his useful career another year or so.
     
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    I'll look past the dripping sarcasm and restate that I don't think Bush is the kind of back that moves the pile. If thats true, then the Saints can't financially afford to have a back that is exclusively an outside threat, and also pay someone who runs the ball into the middle of the line.

    Just my opinion of course....
     
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    I assume you're being sarcastic or just didn't watch the Giant in the second half of the season. Their defense was horrible during the last 8 games of the season. This was due to all the injuries they incurred. The Giants were down to 3rd stringers in many positions.

    BTW, Westbrook is a better runner out of the backfield than Bush. Bush is an Eric Metcalf type player and will never be a backfield runner. If the Saints had to give up one of those guys they would be better off giving up Bush. Deuce is the real deal.
     
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    Overall during the regular season the Giants defense was in the middle of the pack in run defense (yardage and YPC wise), but they gave up 19 rushing touchdowns...which is the 3rd worst in the league.

    Both Deuce and Reggie had 100 yard games against them (both with 20 or more carries). They also both had a touchdown.

    Thanks for the info and that is quite interesting. I agree that he will never see those $5+ mil seasons. Looks like they can afford to keep them both for a couple more years so...that rushing attack of the Saints will be pretty potent for awhile.
     


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    Duece & RB won't be a problem until Colston asks for big money...... right now, it's like Carolina with two stud WRs...... and everything is everything, until someone else wants a piece of the pie.
     
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    Ehhhh....but Keyshawn is old...and he knows it. Who is going to give Keyshawn big money? Deuce is pretty much in his prime right now, and Bush was just a rook last year.

    That's an interesting point about Colston though. I wonder how long he will accept that lowly salary of his.
     
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    If Colston's next season is as good or better than his rookie, then he will most likely be a hold out in the off season. I can't see him playing 3 seasons with a 7th round pick contract.
     
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    The Saints should lock him up in a contract right now...so if he does have another great season...they dont have to talk money then. Because if he has two good seasons in a row he will obviously ask for more than if they re-structure his contract now. It is possible to re-structure a contract only a year after making the first contract, right?
     
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    Nobody touches Bush when it comes to racking up ESPN face time, but he also has extreme athletic talents and a versatile array of football skills. Problem is his versatility doesn't include an ability to particapate in a drive as the primary back, the one who moves the chains. That really is fundamental for a team, so in a sense Bush is realy more of a luxury rather than being a necessity to a team.
    What we see with the Saints this year is basically what we saw with the Trojans last year in the bowl game. The primary backs were first LenDale White and then Deuce.
     
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    But do you really think that they would get rid of him instead of Deuce....they just drafted the guy at #2 overall...and it is not like he was a bust or anything.
     
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    At least for the forseeable future, neither is going anywhere. Right now we're in the top third in the league in cap space, and as was previously stated, we can afford Deuce right now. We would actually LOSE more money in cap space by cutting or trading him than we would by just paying him what he's due. The only way either is going anywhere in the next few years is if some sort of egotistical riff arises for carries and stats, but so far neither player has shown that to be a part of their character.

    If I had to speculate, I would say that what we end up doing with our running game long term (4-6 years down the road) largely depends on their health (of course) and Bush's development as a running back. I wouldn't put off the possibility of McAllister restrucuring his contract after he is past his prime to help out the team cap-wise and to stick around, especially given the great relationship between he, the organization, and the region (he's from MS). Also, the fact that his big bonus is guaranteed regardless doesn't hurt anything.

    Time will tell, as RB has to be the hardest position in football to forcast long term due to the physical nature of their position. Who knows, maybe Reggie develops into a great every down back. Maybe Deuce (God forbid) goes down with another ankle injury and we bring in a lesser power runner to assume his role in the offense. You just never really know, I guess. My heart hopes Deuce retires a Saint, though. He's straight class and one of my favorites ever.

    As far as Colston goes, I highly doubt he will finish his rookie contract. He'll be restructured or signed to an extension I would think as soon as we are allowed to do so, especially if he plays well next season. The NFL doesn't allow players to renegotiate their rookie contract until a certain amount of time after they are signed. I don't think we can re-do his deal until at least after next year, but if someone can find the specifics on this, please post.
     
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    Yeah, that was sarcasm. I don't get as many Giants games as I used to, but I watched enough games to know DT has been a big hole for a while.
     
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    Bush is an average or below average runner up the middle, but he's pretty good when he can get outside. He's an elite weapon, though.
     
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    Deuce is the type of player that if they treat him right would probably work with the team to play out his career as a Saint but all of you seem to forget whom he plays for which is a certain scum bag in Benson.

    Don't ever think this guy won't pull the plug on Duece to cash in on the marketing for Bush.

    The more important thing to keep in mind is if the Saints will stay in New Orleans as ol' Benson is no doubt plotting and planning to cash in on the Saints good fortune and possibly try to spin off a sale to some other city and fill his pockets before things go downhill again should that happen. They were discussing this very scenerio on PTI tonight.

    I just wish some fan would take him out with something when he is doing his dance on the field cause I want to puke when I see that.

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