Defense id the problem and Offense is great, right?

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  1. eriadoc

    eriadoc Texan-American

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    In 9 games this season, the offense has scored double digit points in the first half in only three of them. In one of those, they only scored one TD. In other words, most of the time, the Texans offense scores 7 or fewer points in the first half.

    How is that a good offense?
     
  2. A-Mar

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    Well, I have a feeling that might have something to do with the scripted plays to start the game off since we ALWAYS suck in the 1st half. It's been like this for years now
     
  3. eriadoc

    eriadoc Texan-American

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    Surely you aren't suggesting that the coaching is the problem, right?
     
  4. HOU-TEX

    HOU-TEX Ah, Football!

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    I don't think anybody's excusing the offense. However, anyone who might think the offense is the reason we're losing is off their rocker. IMO, of course
     
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    Texan_Bill Subscribed Contributor

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    I don't care when they score them, but 24.1 points per game should get you wins. That's not the problem. The problem is giving up 28.6 points per game making you the second worst in the league in that regard. :wadepalm:
     
  6. eriadoc

    eriadoc Texan-American

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    I think they're a bigger problem than people are recognizing and are a direct contributor to losses. By scoring virtually nothing in the first half, they're stressing an already awful defense. You can't go into every second half behind by as much as they are and expect the defense to keep you in the game with as poor as the defense has been.

    The defense actually did a decent job by their standards yesterday.
     
  7. eriadoc

    eriadoc Texan-American

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    When they score them is important because playing from behind stresses an already awful defense. If you're going to have a porous defense, you better keep up on the offensive side, especially when most of your talent is on that side of the ball. Falling behind so much makes for tough sledding for any team, much less one with an atrocious defense.
     
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    You could argue that playing from behind benefits our defense.

    Teams with a lead will tend to run the ball more which hides our HIDEOUSLY bad pass defense.

    We are only bad against the run.
     


  9. A-Mar

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    While I agree with this, it is so so so sad that almost 500 yds to the Jaguars is "they played better than expected"
     
  10. Texan_Bill

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    That defense isn't stressed because of the offense. They're stressed because they can't stop a cold. One could argue that they stress the offense by continually putting them in bad spots, a) because they can't get off the field and b) when they do get a stop, the offense has start deep in their own end. When was the last time the defense at least somewhat consistently put the offense in good shape with a turnover or a 3 and out???

    To blame the offense (not that they're even close to being perfect) is short sighted when you look at the fact that the defense gives up (on average) 400+ yards per game. That's a crappy defense no matter how you try to spin it off on the offense.
     
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    The offense has been inconsistent , slow to make adjustments and .... Gary tries to get cute every once in a while and fix what aint broken.

    They make good adjustments at the half .... or they just act like they care after they fall behind.
     
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    HOU-TEX Ah, Football!

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    Agree 100%
     
  13. eriadoc

    eriadoc Texan-American

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    I'm not arguing that the defense is anything but atrocious. I used that word, along with awful, above. As I have pointed out in other threads, this defense is on pace to be the worst defense in the history of the NFL. It's somewhat comical at this point.

    But if you know all that, why would you put yourself behind on offense? If you score 3-7 points in the first half, knowing how bad the defense is, how can you have any reasonable expectation of winning? The only chance you have is to ask your defense for a couple stops while you try and catch up. And the defense did that a few times yesterday. And that's pretty unrealistic to ask for at this point.

    Is it unrealistic to ask the offense to score double digits in the first half this year?
     
  14. axman40

    axman40 Hall of Fame

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    Well if the defense is the Id ,that would make the offense the Ego because there is nothing Super about this team.
    :texflag:
     
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    I think the defense is a major problem and the offense has the talent to be very good. Putting that offensive rubber on the road is a problem; they leave too many skid marks.
     
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    A post that I made in another thread last night, that kind of fits here...



    I'm seeing the same thing as you.
     
  17. eriadoc

    eriadoc Texan-American

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    Exactly. And following the "Mario has too much talent to be this bad" line of reasoning, then the offense's performance is inexcusable. On defense, I'd argue that we don't have the overall talent. On offense, they just aren't performing. Whether that's because of the scripted plays to begin the game, poor clock management, conservative approach, or just failure to execute is anyone's guess.
     
  18. disaacks3

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    The Defense is hideous and the Offense is inconsistent...thereby increasing the strain on an already depleted Defense.

    Still....the talent-level on this team is better than the performance we're getting week in and week out. That spells coaching change.
     
  19. The1ApplePie

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    Been saying the same things for years

    Defense: Worst DTs in football, no team comes close. Effects the LBs and secondary with zero run defense and pass rush respectively

    Offense: There is no #2 WR. Walter is good at riding AJ's coat tails, but has been horrible this season. JJ is a joke and there is no depth behind him.
     
  20. Thorn

    Thorn Dirty Old Man

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    Exactly. Yes. I've been saying the same thing for a while now. While we may not be super bowl contenders with the present crew, there is to much damn talent on this team to be where we are.
     

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