DeAndre Hopkins in 2014 -- Football Outsiders

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  1. Playoffs

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    Football Outsiders -- Factors: DeAndre Hopkins

    Hopkins is going to go from 90 targets in 2013 to catching 90 balls in 2014

     
  2. 76Texan

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    Oversimplifying, IMO

    Hopkins was among the top rookies (drafted in the first round, around his spot) that saw targets in the 90s.
    Others didn't see anywhere that many.

    If you look at the numbers from game to game, it just happened that he saw a lot of targets in the Titans game and the Rams game (13 and 11).

    http://www.fftoday.com/stats/players/13167/DeAndre_Hopkins

    He saw lows of 3 (Seahawks) and 2 (Raiders).
    Otherwise, the distribution was quite consistent, between 4 and 7.

    We already know that Kubiak's offense would target the TEs and the RBs a bunch, but the majority will always go to Andre.
     
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    Also, I notice two contradictions.

    Fahey was saying that Hopkins was misused in a run first offense; he couldn't be more wrong.
    Last year, the Texans logged 633 pass attempts (6th highest in the league) and 414 rushing attempts (22nd in the league.)

    In one paragraph, McCown stated that Hopkins doesn't have sprinter speed; in another, he said that Hopkins can separate deep, too.
    How?
    He doesn't have speed; he doesn't have a wicked double move like AJ (at least not yet).
     
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    Hopkins gets separation from his route running and even being played tight has a knack for going up and getting the ball. But he DOES get separation as well.

    To the bolded; you might wanna go back and watch some more tape. Brett over at BRB did an in depth post about Hopkins and posted several gifs where he used head fakes and double moves to juke CBs outta their socks and jocks. Very impressive. Don't have a link but with just a little looking, it's there.

    I'm not necessarily seeing the "two contradictions".
     
  5. Playoffs

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    So you'd characterize Kubiak's offense as pass first?

    Go back to 2012(4th in attempts)/2011(1st in attempts) stats. Bad teams are typically forced to run less -- 2013(22nd in attempts) was a clusterf#@%.

    http://www.houstontexans.com/tv-med...oes-deep/41904bc4-219a-4c05-ad7e-5cf7758b37df
     
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    I find it interesting how the point out how little targets Hopkins got.

    I've always felt that our QBs have always been too locked in on AJ.

    While some argue that AJ would have better stats with a better QB, I wonder if AJ would have less stats if our QBs had worked progressions better.
     
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    Hopkins physically is what permits him to separate from most corners. In a game against the Chiefs he made Sean Smith look like a toddler, chuck him aside and caught an easy TD down the sidelines.

    Hopkins has a bright future, already near mastering the craft of hand-to-hand combat at the point of contact, a skill that many receivers have the most troubles training for.
     
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    Correct.

    Speed as the tool that creates separation is dramatically overvalued. Speed does place some added stress on the defensive scheme... However, a physical receiver with Hopkins athleticism can certainly gain separation against man defense... Play calling and route running also achieve that. Against a zone, scheme and a wr's awareness and instincts to sit in the windows are key.
     


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    On the long completion, Hopkins uses one arm to pretty much slow the CB down, the CB was trying to grab at his arm and he just over powered him. Thats physical
     
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    If you're talking about the Seahawks game where Browner was covering Hopkins, both weren't deep routes.
    One went for 16 and one for 11.
    It's good that he won the hand fights (more so than with route running.)
     
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    You beat me to it, haha.
     
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    No, I thought I made it clear that it was last year only.
    That Hopkins didn't get as many targets because other reasons, rather than because the Texans didn't pass enough.

    Also, on that pass, Arrington guessed the wrong route and stopped.
    Hopkins didn't burn him with speed nor with any move.
     
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    That's funny, I could have sworn that Hopkins was a HORRIBLE route runner, like not even close to good.

    WR's welcoming hits from DB's does not lend itself to a long career, just sayin'.

    He's got a long way to go. To say he'll get close to 100 catches with this set of QB's is optimism at its finest.
     
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    We know that it's by Kubiak's design.
    He was asked several times and always responded that we will continue to look for AJ.
     
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    This is his forte in college.
    I expect that from him.
    In fact I expect that he wins more of it.
    Then, his future can be very bright.
    I also insist that he continues to learn to run better routes.

    Didn't he say just a couple of weeks ago himself, that he can be much better?
     
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    That's separation, which answered the question: How?
     
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    Making the Leap, No. 14: Texans' DeAndre Hopkins

    Around The League will profile the top 25 players we see Making the Leap in 2014. No. 14 on the list: Houston Texans wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins.

     
  19. 76Texan

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    That's what I mean when I agreed that one of Schaub's INT was on Hopkins.
    At the time, and maybe even now, some think I have a vendetta against some players and being a fan boy of others.

    I don't.
    Obviously, as human, we are all susceptible to bias.
    I do try to reign it in much as possible.
    I'm going to be honest and say that I haven't been doing too shabby on this board.

    At the time, I was rather lenient on Hopkins.
    Rookie mistake.
    The thing is that I wasnt trying to defend Schaub for other mistakes that he had made up to that point.

    I just didn't think it's fair to pile it on him.

    I wasn't happy with Schaub, but I didn't think that INT was on him.

    And the benching of Hopkins in week 11, as mentioned in the piece, citing his mental mistakes, further shows that he was lacking in carrying out his assignments.
    Just like when Keenum got benched.

    Guys who has had a long tenure normally get a longer leash.

    At any rate, for me, it's football discussions.
    I look at the performance on the field and relay what I think I saw.

    Other folks can watch the same play and saw something different.
    Cool.
     
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    Which INT are you referring to?
     

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