DE and DT rankings

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    Gil Brandt has his rankings for DE and DT. The number one for each position may shock a few people. Demarcus Ware is rated as the #1 DE and Luis Castillo is rated as the #1 DT.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/expert/brandt/dl

    1. Demarcus Ware, Troy (6-4, 251)
    He had a complete workout at the combine. He ran two 40s in 4.56 and 4.57. He also ran the short shuttle in 4.07 seconds, the three-cone drill in 6.83 and the long shuttle in 10.93. He had a 38½-inch vertical jump, a 10-foot-2 broad jump and 27 reps. He went to high school in Auburn, Ala., but weighed only 170 pounds. In high school, he played linebacker and wide receiver. He also was on the track, basketball and baseball teams. As a true freshman at Troy, he played but did not start. He started 11 games at left end in 2002, and started all games in 2003 and 2004. He was the Sun Belt Conference Player of the Year in 2004, when he had 11 sacks. He had 28 sacks in his career. He is very raw in his pass-rush technique; he has the ability and will get better. He has a great upside -- a raw, explosive athlete with all the tools and skills you look for in an end. The only question is his weight potential. He has great character and works hard in the weight room (8 percent body fat). He could also be an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense; of course, one must wonder how well he will play against the run at his weight. He could be a Dwight Freeney type of player.


    1. Luis Castillo, Northwestern (6-3 3/8, 303)
    (Note - injuries might drop him down) He worked out at the combine, but did not do the shuttle and cone drills. He ran two 40s in 4.80 and 4.79. He had a 34½-inch vertical jump and a 9-foot-4 broad jump. At Northwestern's Pro Day, he ran the short shuttle in 4.26 seconds and the three-cone drill in 7.28. He did not bench press at either workout. In high school, he played on the defensive line. He also ran track and was New Jersey's top-ranked heavyweight wrestler. At Northwestern, he played five games as a true freshman in 2001. He started seven games in 2002 and was a full-time starter the past two seasons. He had two sacks in 2004 and 4½ in his career. He plays with great effort, has above-average athletic ability and has the quickness needed for his position. He has quick hands. His refusal to do bench presses might raise injury concerns
     
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    I don'y know if I agree with him, but then again he does get paid to do this and if he wasn't good at it he would be gone.
     
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    based on combine workouts
     
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    Ellison above Mosley? S. Cody above Johnson? Manly becasue I don't think Cody's future in the NFL is at DT.

    Probaly not a good sign for us that almost all of the good DE are tweeners.
     
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    I say we end all speculation and plan on drafting a K in the 1st.
     
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    There was an interesting bit of information in the rankings of the DEs. They mentioned a guy by the name of Dwayne LeFall, 6-3, 255, Akron. The interesting thing about him is that he has 4 INTs as a DE. That means he has experience dropping back into coverage, and he's obviously done alright at adjusting to that. He might make a good LB for the Texans, but I'd be curious to see whether he'll make it as an OLB or ILB. He's seems to be a little heavy for a ILB, and a little light for an OLB. Of course his experience with taking on big OTs might make him an ideal OLB. I haven't heard anything else about him except that he might be a 7th Round pick or go undrafted. If he goes undrafted we should definately take a look at him.

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    I am skeptical of that. Pollack has four interceptions in his career, and none of them are from dropping back in coverage. He just deflected the ball at the line of scrimmage and then caught it. Maybe this guy is different, but just because he has INT's doesn't necessarily mean they were in coverage.
     
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    Good find on Lefall...I did a quick search to see if I could find out any more info on him, but ended up empty handed...I think from what ESPN wrote, he would make a better ILB due to his coverage skills...I'm not sure how many sacks he put up, though...
     
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    According to ESPN he's only had 16 sacks in his career. It is difficult to get information on him, and I even "googled" him. As far as the INTs goes I'm just assuming that Pasquerelli has done his research on the guy, but we all know that these analysts often times only see stats just like us. However, if he really goes that late he might be worth signing off the street to see where he stands in coverage. I feel that Pollack would be able to play inside too, but as wags mentioned he didn't get his INTs by dropping into coverage. So looks like I'll have to do a little more research to see if I can find any more definitive information on him.
     
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    I dont think Pollack would be good at ILB. One of his best assets is his burst, and it seems like that would make him a perfect edge rusher. If you put him inside it seems like his rushing ability would be wasted.
     
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    True, but I like his football IQ or knowledge of the game or whatever you want to call it. He seems like the kind of guy that could play just about anywhere he was needed. I feel that he'd be able to get to the QB wherever he was playing. Didn't he play inside at the DT position at times during some Georgia games? I seem to recall him playing there in at least one game for a few plays. He still caused all kinds of havoc, and I think he'd be able to do that as an ILB in the 3-4. I do admit he might be a better fit at the outside, but he'd be very intriguing inside as well.
     
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    I've gotta agree with wags on Pollack...He doesn't have the straight line speed to cover most TEs and RBs...I flirted with the thought of Pollack on the inside, but it just seems like he isn't suited for it...He'd make a good OLB, though...
     
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    I don't remember him being at DT this past year. We have two good run stuffers in Golston and Anderson, so I don't know why Pollack would be in there. Pollack is going to beat you around the corner, not in a face up battle.

    Anyways, let me pose this question. Do you feel comfortable with Pollack running from the middle of the field to the sideline? Or would you feel more comfortable with a Davis, Thurman, Crowder?

    You are right about IQ, knowledge, and I would throw in heart.
     
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    Pollack's 40 times are about the same as some of the better ILBs in this draft like Kirk Morrison of SDSU plus he's got better size. Just to add to that list Channing Crowder, Lance Mitchell, Lofa Tatupu, and Mike Goolsby are all running around the same 40 times as Pollack. If he lost weight, which I would assume he would to play ILB, he'd likely pick up some speed. I might be in the minority in this one, and obviously the Texans are looking for more speed in their LB corp, but I really put a lot of value on a player's football IQ. It is a possibility that it might even add to my bias, but it's just one of those intangibles that I hold in high regard. As for the quicker TEs and RBs I'd rather have Greenwood or even Earl on them, and allow Pollack more freedom to rush the QB.
     
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    I think Pollack would find a way to make it work if we wanted him at ILB, but he'd rank 4th (in terms of how well he would fit at the position)...I would rank it Davis, Thurman, Crowder, Pollack...Wags, I figure you're the right person to ask about this, so what's your opinion on Thurman? I think he's really talented, but I've heard that he has attitude problems, and has a police report "as long as Shaquille O'Neal's right arm" per John McLain...
     
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    Thats the one snag that I have come across, but I feel that his knowledge of the game would more often than not lead him to the right place at the right time. It seems that players like him always seem to have a nose for the ball, and always find a way to be around the ball at all times. I think his quickness and burst could alleviate my concerns a bit. As I mentioned in the previous post Crowder ran his 40s in the same realm as Pollack. Mitchell is in that range too, and I was never worried about those guys running sideline to sideline. When your into the tenths and hundredths of seconds differences between players it's hard to use it as a guideline for their game speed.

    As far as Pollack playing at DT I'm guessing I must be mistaken, but I could almost swear that I've seen him playing there. It was a game where Georgia was constantly moving Pollack around on the DLine because the other team was trying to shift protection to his side, and at one point I thought for sure I saw him playing inside in a passing situation. It must've been a different player.
     
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    I think the junior college he was at before Georgia was actually a military academy. If so, that probably helped him out. He was suspended the first three games this year though. :mad: I don't know what he did to incite that. At least he didn't sell his SEC ring on EBAY like Gibson. :um:
    On the field Thurman is a hard hitter and plays pretty fast. Faster than his forty time, like Davis. He's a pretty good tackler, but he gets lost in the middle a lot on running plays.
     

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