Dang, this is a heck of writeup on Carr....

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  1. OzzO

    OzzO .. and then?

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    Carr... you're aces brutha.
     
  2. wags

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    :rolleyes:
     
  3. Ibar_Harry

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    "He couldn't have known it, but the Texans already were having meetings on that very subject. General manager Charley Casserly essentially ordered Capers to have offensive coordinator Chris Palmer fix the pass protection."

    This is a quote from the Chronicle article and it speaks volumes about what is happening with the Texans. To begin with I think people are going to be very upset with the above statement. You can read between the lines what this statement is saying. Did Carr want this statement out there, did Casserly want this out there, did McNair want this out there or was it a slip of the tongue. It says a lot about the head coach.

    David has grown a lot in the last three years. He's had to face a lot in his life. If you remember, he also almost lost one of his son's to a swimming pool accident in addition to everything else that's been happening. Through all of that I believe he has been basically a very loyal Texan. I hope the Texans realize what he really is, but then again some of you keep reminding me that football is only a business............

    As an attorny would say, "I rest my case".
     
  4. F-minus67

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    People always talk about how tought Farve is, I think that with all David has gone through he might be on Farve's level.
     
  5. TopTexanFan16

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    wow i cant beilive someone threw beer at his wife.....that makes me sad that their is some texan fan out there that would do that, hes not a texan by my books. thats just disgusting......
     
  6. Davis37

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    I totally agree. That fan should be banned from Texans games for at least a year.
     
  7. wags

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    So how long into the season before the first "throw it deep to Andre" thread? :bomb:
     
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    Beautifull man, beautifull.
     


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    Thank God!!
     
  10. infantrycak

    infantrycak Mod. Staff Member

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    Yes, Ibar, they wanted or at least weren't scared of it being out there--that is why they all talked to ... reporters who they knew would ... report it.
     
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    David Carr is the best role model you can have for a child. He is always polite, well spoken, a great leader, an intense competitor, and most of all----a great father. So for me, he isn't just a great role model for kids but he is for me too. The Texans better take care of him because he is a very rare find. People have called him baby Favre for a while because of his gun and scrambling ability but I believe he can be better than Farve if we can build the line to an "above average" level. He doesn't need the Chiefs line by any means but he does need an upgrade by all means. Hopefully the maturity and continuity of our current line will boast improvement from last year. Last but certainly not least----I don't believe the beer incident was intentional. I think a disgruntled fan just up and through the beer and it just so happened to hit Melody and the kids. You gotta be D.Carr to be that accurate with a cup of beer! :) Go Texans! :highfive:
     
  12. throwANDREtheBALL

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    Has a QB ever told the coach that the O-line sorely needs to be fixed ?

    So Carr is tired of getting hit and so far Casserly has drafted a C in the 5th round and signed 4 udfa OL, and signed Victor Riley (who was the worst lineman on the SAINTS last year)

    So I think that it is only fair to come to the conclusion that if they don't sign L.J. Shelton that they have effectively done nothing to help CARR.

    Hodgdon could very well be a decent Center, I hope that he has a great TC and beats Mckinney out of a job. But, if they gave the O-line some priority maybe they should've drafted C Chris Spencer.

    Mckinney is the weakest link, followed by Wand.

    The off-season isn't over yet, but if they go into the start of the season with the same five guys starting on the O-line as last year then they have done zilch. I don't care if they bring in timing routes and new blocking schemes, they still needed to upgrade the talent level.

    I've heard a lot of people say that Casserly is one of the best, if he was one of the best why would he wait until the third season before addressing the coach on how bad the line was, plus its Casserly's job to bring in good players, so I think that there is a lot of guys passing the buck in the TEXANS front office.

    "its not my fault, its his"

    Carr thought that the Texans should've been in the playoffs, but they weren't playing as good as their talent level. To me that sounds like he didn't think that the coaching was good enough.

    Casserly's gotta stop blaming others and start putting the O-line as a priority.

    Capers needs to wake up

    Palmer needs to be replaced


    But, that's just what I got from the article. So take it for what its worth.

    And the guy that poured beer on Carr's wife..........that guy should be banned for life. Either that or they'll sign him as an Offensive Lineman. Since they seem to be doing a good job of signing nasty guys.


    JMO
     
  13. Mr Shush

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    There just wasn't a lot good going at O-line in this draft, and certainly not around the spots we were drafting. Reaching for need is a good way to end up like the Browns. We went after Pace, we just couldn't get him.

    Patience, dude. Wait till next year. An LT will come.
     
  14. El Tejano

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    The way I feel right now is that our guys have tried to make the big acquisition by going after Pace, but didn't wanna sell the barn for him. I am sure they will make an offer towards Shelton. By what most people say, he is good but not worth giving up alot of money for. And if they don't get him well, this will be the first time the line has played together in consecutive seasons so we never know how much better they could be.
     
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    If they traded down three spots for TJ, who half the teams had rated down to the 2nd round, then why would spencer have been any more of a reach ?

    personally I would've just drafted Jammal Brown at 13.

    or keep trading down to 20-ish, draft Spencer, and pick up another 3rd rounder and draft OT khalif barnes or DT Attiyah Ellison with it.

    All I'm saying is that if the O-line really was such a priority to them, like it should've been then they should've addressed it sooner rather than later.
     
  16. U4ikrob

    U4ikrob Guitar Junky

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    I'm with you on this one T-a-B - if The O-line protection of DC was so important they had to have a special meeting with palmer about it, the coach knew it was problem and they didnt do a good job, Charley thought is was such a concern he had a talk with Dom and Palmer about, Mcnair says somethign to the team about it - yet it's the last thing they [the front office and coaches] address. - To me thats poor planning no matter how you want to spin it.

    IMO - It will be interesting to see if the coaches gambles on their youth movement/all around switching with the defense mixed with no real changes on the O-line equals more wins next year. :pigfly:

    I'm thinking it;s gonna be more like a little of this :ouch: mixed with some of this :dangit: will = :goodnight for some coaches and personal if these guys dont produce on the field and compete for a playoff spot[wildcard] next year.
     
  17. Vinny

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    Many people thought we reached for Dunta Robinson last year. Why draft a RT when you don't need a RT? TJ will give us an inside pass rush that we haven't had since Walkers first year (Pro Bowl year) here. If you notice, most of David Carr's pressure comes from the inside. He gets flushed to the outside and gets sacked over and over. Defensively we had no inside pass rush last year so I can't see this as a bad move in retrospect.
     
  18. throwANDREtheBALL

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    From everything I've read, Brown was a better OT on most teams boards then Barron and most experts thought Brown could play LT as well. I would've taken Jammal Brown at 13 if I couldn't trade down. Cuz the O-line was supposed to be the top priority. I've stated on too many post how much Mckinney sucks..........that's why if I could've I would've traded down to 20ish and picked Chris Spencer he was rated the top lineman in the whole draft by a lot of scouts. AND Center was our biggest need. And from trading down would've picked up a couple 3rd round picks or a 2nd.....so getting Khalif Barnes would've given us a decent OT prospect as well.

    If we needed an inside pass rush, why did we draft TJ ?
    He had how many sacks last year? Like 2 and a half ?

    Come on, I hope that he gets 4 times that this year, but lets be realistic. Usually when you get to the NFL your stats decrease not increase. So TJ is going to bring this pass rush that we've been lacking ? The pass rush boost will come from the addition of Peek playing full-time. And I'd be surprised if TJ even starts unless Walker or Smith get hurt. TJ is so good that I think 6th round pick DT Anttaj Hawthorne will have a better career than him.

    But, I still hope your right and that Casserly is other-worldly, and he knows more than anyone when it comes to what to do in the first round, and TJ gets 8-10 sacks for the next 15 years..........or at least gives a pass rush that is better than the Gary-Seth-Robaire tandem.

    I hope your right, but, I fear that you are not.
     
  19. U4ikrob

    U4ikrob Guitar Junky

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    I'm with you T-a-B - Honestly I hope it all works out and we havea great year - making many strides on both sides of the ball.

    But my fear is this year will turn out like the Astros year has done thus far. Straigh to the bottom of the tank. Youth is great, but experience makes a big difference. I am hopefull the Texans staff and team will do alot better than the L-Astros have done this year. If not it could be a long year for all of us.
     
  20. ojthecat

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    No to me this speaks volumes as to the fact that everyone is on the same page. Look they all know how important protecting Carr is however taking a reach on players will not get it done. They made a major run at Pace. They will wait until the right players come along. This is the right way to build a franchise. In the mean time we will upgrade where possible and when the right players are availible in the draft Casserly will do whatever it takes to aquire them. Casserly has a history of doing just that. Relax we are in great hands and this year we will make the playoffs.

    :)
     

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