Dan Riley

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  1. steelbtexan

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    We have had more injuries than any team in the league.

    He is the last hold over from the CC regime.

    His body of work suggests that we need another strength & conditioning coach. IMO
     
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    What strength and conditioning should Riley have had Dunta doing to keep his knee from being crushed by another player? What should have done to keep AJ from getting hyperextended on a hit over the middle? McKinney blowing a knee? Weary breaking a bone? Spencer's leg from breaking?

    What injuries can you point to and say a different strength and conditioning program would have prevented them?

    On the other hand, you have guys like Salaam saying Riley saved his career with his customized program.
     
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    Dan Riley's the Alex Gibbs of stregth and conditioning. He's well known and respected around the league for what he does. If he were let go there'd be 31 other teams clammoring for him.

    Dan Riley's not going anywhere until he choses to do so, IMO. :cool:

    *edit: Dang ICak, what're the odds we'd post at the same time in a thread that's 10 hrs old. Weird, I tell ya
     
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    Dan Riley is one of the top 3 S&C coaches in the history of the NFL (probably the best).

    He has been in the NFL for over 25 years.

    A S&C coach can prevent injuries to high school & college players, but this is the NFL. Every single one of those guys is a tremendous athlete, and most injuries in the NFL are fluke injuries that cannot be prevented.
     
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    That's a mighty impressive resume.
     
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    I know that Dan Riley is well respected around the league. I know that his resume is top notch, etc., etc... But quite honestly, I have questioned this before too..
    Last two seasons, at least 17 people on I.R....? I think that speaks volumes, or at the very least deserves some discussion.
     
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    Not when most of the injuries have nothing to do with strength and conditioning.
     
  8. Texan_Bill

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    Unless its a concussion, most injuries are related to strength and conditioning - be it a muscle pull, ligament tear, etc. And there has been more than enough to warrant discussion.
     


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    So Dunta having a 280 lb guy land on his leg in a direction it wouldn't bend is a strength and conditioning issue?
     
  10. kravix

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    A couple of those IR guys were stashed there last year. Brown, Brandon, Abatte.
     
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    I don't discount freak injuries, or broken legs or arms, but look below. Some of those injuries might have been prevented with better stretching or lifting techniques - or maybe not.

    PHP:
    Date Pos Player Injury Status 
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    /18/07 S Nick Ferguson  Right knee IR 
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    /09/07 RB Ahman Green  knee IR 
    12
    /04/07 C Chris White  left knee IR 
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    /04/07 G Fred Weary  broken right tibia IR 
    12
    /02/07 QB Matt Schaub  dislocated left shoulder Day-to-Day 
    12
    /02/07 C Chris White  left knee Day-to-Day 
    12
    /02/07 G Fred Weary  broken right tibia Day-to-Day 
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    /08/07 CB Dunta Robinson  right knee IR 
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    /04/07 CB Dunta Robinson  right knee Day-to-Day 
    10
    /31/07 LB Shawn Barber  neck IR 
    10
    /08/07 WR Jerome Mathis  fibula IR 
    09
    /25/07 DT Cedric Killings  neck IR 
    09
    /25/07 C Steve McKinney  knee IR 
    09
    /23/07 C Steve McKinney  sprained knee Day-to-Day 
    09
    /23/07 DT Cedric Killings  neck Day-to-Day 
    09
    /11/07 S Jason Simmons  left knee IR 
    09
    /02/07 S Brandon Harrison  hamstring IR 
    09
    /02/07 S Will Demps  elbow IR 
    08
    /24/07 T Kevin Barry  biceps IR 
    08
    /17/07 CB Jason Horton  broken arm IR 
    08
    /17/07 S Glenn Earl  foot IR 
    09
    /21/06 T Charles Spencer  Broken leg IR 
    09
    /17/06 T Charles Spencer  Left leg 
    I see plenty of others on that list that at least warrants this discussion!!
     
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    PS... There were about the same amount on that list following the 2006 season.
     
  13. kravix

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    Green
    Weary
    Schaub
    Dunta
    Barber
    Mathis
    Killings
    McKinney
    Demps
    Horton
    Earl
    Spencer

    That is 12 right there that no amount of str or conditioning can help.

    Green- Deep tissue bruise on knee--

    Weary- Break-- Could have fed him more milk i guess?

    Schaub- Shoulders pop out especially when you are slammed to the ground the wrong way by someone that outwieghs you by 50+ lbs

    Dunta- legs dont bend that way

    Barber- Neck injuries arent something you can really strengthen against or want to take chances on.

    Mathis- Leg fracture-- See Weary

    McKinney- He had serious surgery after this. It is hard to strenthen a knee from moving when 300lb DL are falling on them.

    Killings- He is lucky to be walking again.

    Demps- His elbow was dislocated before he got here.

    Horton- See Weary

    Earl- Broken foot-- see Weary

    Spencer- See Weary

    Harrison- He was clearly stashed here.
     
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    Don't forget that Ferguson wasn't even on our team last year.
     
  15. Texan_Bill

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    Look, I'm not going to argue with you about who and why.

    34+ players in two seasons is more than enough to warrant the discussion in the same way it warrants a discussion about the field... errrrrrrr painted dirt (although most players have said the footing is fine). I beleive in bad luck, but this more than bad luck, this has been serious trend.
     
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    For discussion sake. I deleted the "day to day" injuries that ended on the IR.

    It's debatable a torn ligament can be avoided by certain excercises/training, but IMHO, none of the injuries above appear to be related to S & C.:cool:
     
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    Ah-ha!! The word debatable means that its a viable discussion...

    That's all I did... Some folks in their zeal to 'prove themselves right' missed that point..
     
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    LOL! Well, the reason why I said it was debatable was because I've been told that a flat-footed person has a higher risk of knee joint problems than a person that is not. I heard this back in the late 80's early 90's from our trainer at SFA, so don't bash me if I'm incorrect.

    Also, a person who has or does take steroids has a higher risk of joint injury.

    I might be wrong, but I'm just going by what I was told back then.
     
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    I can attest to the flat-foot bad knee problem - first hand.

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    It must be turning into a long off-season, when we get down to 'debating' the merits of a discussion!! :pirate:
     
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    Too true Bill, Oh so true. It sucks! I hope we at least get some decent coverage of this weeks mini-camp. Then we can beat the shit out of that for the next month or so until there's something else to beat the shit out of. :wild:
     

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