Dabo Swinney, it’s time!

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  1. mussop

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    https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/08/hypothetical-dabo-swinney-clemson-coach-texans/amp/


    Hypothetical: What if Dabo Swinney left Clemson to coach the Texans?

    With the Houston Rockets currently in the middle of the biggest series of their year against the Golden State Warriors, Clemson football coach Dabo Swinney made a surprise appearance at the Toyota Center in Houston on Saturday night to see Houston’s first victory in the series.

    Swinney caught the eye of the media when he turned up wearing a Houston Texans shirt to the game. This may just be a nod to some of his most successful Clemson products Deshaun Watson and DeAndre Hopkins who both play for the Texans. However, openly promoting an NFL team when you’ve had players drafted all over the league is quite the statement.

    This raises an interesting question; is Swinney targeting the Texans head coaching job? And are Houston keeping tabs on him?

    There can be no denying that pressure has been mounting on Bill O’Brien for the past couple of years. Despite the fact he has coached the Texans to just one losing season in five years and won three AFC South titles, he has yet to make it past the divisional round of the playoffs. And with many players in this current lineup well in their primes such as J.J. Watt and DeAndre Hopkins, fans are eager for O’Brien to get the most out of this side while he still can.

    Perhaps Swinney believes that he can be the guy to get the most out of this lineup, a level of confidence you couldn’t criticize given his
     
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    I really hope OB kills it this year. But if he doesn’t, it’s time to move on. I don’t care if we have a tough schedule against a lot of top QBs. We have a top QB now and I want to see the team perform like they should.

    Dabo sure would be a nice replacement if OB doesn’t workout.
     
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    That conclusion seems to be a real stretch. A good friend of mine who follows Dabo has told me that when "touring" different cities for recruiting pr purposes, he will wear local teams' shirts.
     
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    Any coach with class doesn't signal his desire to replace another coach. It doesn't work that way.
     
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    Dabo just signed a 10 year $93 million contract. Anyone see the Texans beating that?

    That's what I thought.
     
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    Dreams on this MB are crushed with a simple 2 sentence post.
     
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    It’s starts off with “hypothetical”!
     
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    Here's what I hang my hat on for Sweeney, he has to win every game as does Sabin or he's displeasing fans and alumni. He's been great so far but lots of pressure. Great pressure in NFL, but as Texans coach he could lose 4-5 each season two to three years and build this team better and disappoint few. Dabo is a builder including coaching staff. CAL can pay him $10 million a year with no sweat. A side note, a few of his former players have the bull in helmets. One more season and Cals jet should be bringing a new coach to H'town.
     
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    This is all very fascinating but seems to ignore one simple question. Why would they replace Bill O’Brien? I mean I know some on here think he is the worst thing to hit Houston that doesn’t have Category 4 or 5 used to describe it but clearly the Texans FO and the McNairs in particular disagree at least for now.

    Also hate to tell you this but as far as NFL coach records go his is pretty good. Multiple division titles and only one losing season. I know that means nothing to many on here but in the NFL world that’s a good record. So again I ask, why should they do it?

    From the Texans point of view it makes little to no sense unless they wanted O’Brien gone which clearly they don’t right now.
     
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    I'm a numbers guy so here is a list of all the head coaches in the league with 5 or more years coaching and their win\loss record. As a side note I was surprised to find only 13 out of 32 coaches had 5 or more years as a head coach under their belts.

    Bill Belichick - 261\123\0 .680
    Mike Tomlin - 125\66\1 .654
    Bruce Arians - 49\30\1 .619
    Sean Payton - 118\74\0 .615
    Andy Reid - 195\124\1 .611
    Mike Zimmer - 47\32\1 .594
    John Harbaugh - 104\72\0 .591
    Pete Carroll - 121\85\1 .587
    Jason Garrett - 77\59\0 .566
    Ron Rivera - 71\56\1 .559
    Bill O'Brien - 42\38\0 .525
    Jon Gruden - 98\93\0 .513
    Jay Gruden - 35\44\1 .444
     
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    Bill Belichick - 261\123\0 .680 - 6 Lombardi trophies
    Mike Tomlin - 125\66\1 .654 - 1 Lombardi
    Bruce Arians - 49\30\1 .619 - 1 Conf. Champ. game
    Sean Payton - 118\74\0 .615 - 1 Lombardi
    Andy Reid - 195\124\1 .611 - 1 CC (KC), 5 CC, 1 SB (Phi)
    Mike Zimmer - 47\32\1 .594 - 1 CC
    John Harbaugh - 104\72\0 .591 - 1 Lombardi
    Pete Carroll - 121\85\1 .587 - 1 Lombardi, 2 SB
    Jason Garrett - 77\59\0 .566 - never past 2nd round
    Ron Rivera - 71\56\1 .559 - 1 SB
    Bill O'Brien - 42\38\0 .525 - never past 2nd round
    Jon Gruden - 98\93\0 .513 - 1 Lombardi (TB), 1 CC (Oak)
    Jay Gruden - 35\44\1 .444 - never past 1st round
     
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    I love using winning seasons & division championships to defend my under performing HC. But it's all window dressing, eye candy... a diversion.

    How many times have we beaten the Colts with a healthy QB? How many times were we embarrassed at home in the playoffs? What's your record against winning teams?

    & I'm not saying BO'b is a bad HC. But if he doesn't fix this offense, he's a bad HC.
     
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    As with any stat you have to look beyond that to the actual performance of the player or in this case OBrien. As with college coaches like Dabo or Saban, it's not just about Ws but where does each season end and how did team individually and collectively form. Also how did the coaching perform and this is where those of us on here think he is worse----hit Houston. If we all looked at it from Texans view all he time, it would be lock step mindless amens in church and I AIN'T about that in church or here. We do not clearly know what ownership wants as the McNairs have not told us and perhaps not have told GM/HC either. CAL could be thinking "GM has had one year to settle in and after a decent first draft without round one and two has had an interesting off season that could sink this year or it could indicate we have a very good roster for future. This is Bill's sink or swim year, another championship for Sweeney and he will be willing to accept what I will offer." Again, we don't know clearly what anyone is thinking just because we do not know of any changes that might be coming.
     
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    TKyss, it's not often that I can agree with enough in one of your posts to click Like.

    But this is really good post, one I can like 99.99%.

    The only thing I'd change is your last sentence: If, by being philosophically inflexible, OB doesn't fix the offense or let a true OC fix it, he should be replaced with a more offensively adaptatble HC such as Dabo Sweeney.

    I'm uncomfortable calling OB a BAD HC. I don't think he's been bad. Some head coaches have been worse, some have been better.

    As discussed before (by CND others if memory serves...and I hope it does), OB may have reached his ceiling. A good phrase for that is the Peter Principle, the idea that a guy can get promoted to his level of incompetence...the metaphor being that a guy may be a very good salesman but promoting him to Sales Manager reveals he does poorly at the new job. There have been a few guys we can all think of who have been top notch coordinators but have not proven to be top notch head coaches.
     
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    I’m not defending anybody, I’m pointing out that yes winning seasons and division championships do matter. Not to people on this MB but in the larger world yeah they do matter.

    As far as the offense goes if you put aside the Oline, I will grant you that is a huge thing to put aside, before it got hammered with injuries the offense was kicking ass. That could have been in spite of O’Brien but if we are blame him for the teams failures then to be fair we have to give hm at least partial credit for its success and yes the team has had them.

    Got to be honest I had to read that about 5 times to understand what you were saying with that wall of text but I think I have an idea. First I do agree, for me at least, this is his sink or swim year but thats just for me.

    As far as the not knowing what the McNairs want it’s not that hard to figure out. He went 4-12 and they gave him a 4 year extension. If that doesn’t say they think he’s doing something right I don’t know what would and yes Cal was in on that decision to.

    The only caveat I’ll say is that if Rick Smiths wife had not taken ill then at some point that situation would have come to a head and the McNair’s would have had to chose. It is possible they didn’t want to change GM and HC back to back so they decided to keep him for that reason but we will never know there.

    Also where do people get this idea that A) Swinney has any interest in leaving where he’s at or B) the Texans have any interest in signing him? Other than some click bait headlines I’ve never seen any really creditable sources on this but I haven’t looked either.
     
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    There have been so many times I felt good about O'Brien & his offense being so close. The whole Osweiler fiasco, I was here, saying just that. Osweiler taking this team toe to toe with New England in a Division game. To this day I say Osweiler played well enough to win, but guys who usually make the tough catches dropped three would be touchdowns that would have changed the outcome of that game. Three. Osweiler. I was on O'Briens side.

    Then this past season, that last Jags game where the offense looked innovative in the 4th Qtr, I thought that was a preview of what was to come in the playoffs. I mean why else have Watson & our starters out there in the 4th of a game that was over?

    I'm ready to pile a ton of credit on BO'b... opportunities just few & far between.
     
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    Not disagreeing with you but I will say people put to much blame on O’Brien in regards to the Colts game. Everyone on the team sh!t the bed in that game. Watson looked like a rookie, the defense put the team in a hole within five minutes, the Oline was blocking like they were playing red rosy, BoB might as well have put his next play on the big screen, everyone sucked.

    I’m not saying BoB is a good OC, in fact I lost a lot of hope for the next season when it came out that he wasn’t hiring a real OC and just basically using it to give a kid he was mentoring a break in the business. I’m hoping that the talent of the team is so great that they can make it work.

    That being said though I don’t think he is as near as bad a coach as some on here. More importantly I don’t see any real upgrades out there that the Texans actually have a chance of luring away. It’s not just a matter of throwing money at a problem.

    Take Swinney for example, why leave a place where his system is already in place, he can pretty much do whatever he wants, gets God only knows how many perks and kick backs from alumni and boosters, has most likely not had to buy his own drinks or dinner in SC for years now just to come to bad weather, bad traffic Houston?
     
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    Man you are hilarious! My post was "wall of text" and I read your last three! Anyways back to your comment.. The 4-12 season parlayed into Bill's payoff was under Bob's watch. A year later and things have changed. 11-5 with a lot of sloppy play and coaching decisions. I think you are correct that some on this board look only at wins. Some of us look beyond that see how the game is played. No one has any idea if Sweeney would come here. It was hypothetical as were our responses.
     
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    We were looking for a HC when we found O'Brien.
     
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    The phrase “wall of text” has nothing to do with how much is in a post but with how there is nothing to break up the flow of sentences. It makes it very hard to read because words start to run together and if you lose your place you basically have to start at the beginning.

    As to your point yes I know that the extension was under BoB McNairs watch but you are acting like Cal had no say in that. Do you really believe they were that far apart in their thinking or that enough has changed in one year that Cal has done a 180? I’m seriously asking.

    You say it was 11-5 with sloppy plays and coaching decisions but they still went on a 9 game winning streak. People can write that off all they want with things like “it was luck” or “the other teams were weak” but the fact is you don’t go on a 9 game streak in the NFL without doing something right.
     
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