Culture of Losing is ingrained with the Texans and needs to be exorcised

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  1. TexansFight

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    I want a new HC for the Texans. From what I have seen, Kubiak is in the bottom 5 of NFL head coaches when you grade everything from game plans, motivating the team, in game adjustments, and clock management.

    However, getting a new HC is not enough. We need to hire a guy that will eradicate the culture of losing here. That is not an easy thing to do. My preference would be to get a proven winner here like Marty Schottenheimer or Bill Cowher to turn our program around. Marty in particular has won everywhere he has gone. Guys like that and Parcells demand accountability, command respect immediately, and players buy-in because of what they have done in the past.

    We are not in a position to afford to pin our hopes on another first time coach or recycled also-ran. We need a coach who can instill a philosophy of what kind of team they want and actually implement that plan.

    Changing a loser program into a winner is hard. Tampa turned it around with the brilliance of Tony Dungy. Say what you will about Jerry Glanville, but he restored pride in our team and made us into a hard hitting team that teams didn't want to play especially in the House of Pain. We desperately need that here.

    Just look at what Parcells and his protege Sparano are doing in Miami. Mike Smith who is a first time coach has brought toughness to the Falcons and they are friggin 3-2 with a rookie QB. We need a winner here in Houston to lead us out of the abyss.
     
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    i think both those guys were first time coaches.
     
  3. HJam72

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    This loss was on Sage Rosenfels. I know the coach should have chewed his butt out for stretching out with the ball THE FIRST TIME, but who would have thought Sage was so stupid? I also know that the coach had some major screwups prior to this game, but Sage could have made us all forget about that just by holding on to the ball, falling down, whatever. The whole team played their guts out all day, except for one player who experienced retardation. Must be why Kubes didn't want to start Rosentard in the first place. We blame Kubiak when they are flat and he deserves a lot of credit for how they played yesterday. I haven't even been mad at Richard Smith for a couple of weeks.

    Long story short: I know Kubiak deserves all this anger, but I still think he's gonna pull it out. This team will start winning games soon, and next year will be good. It will. I know that sounds like the same old "next year" stuff, but it will.
     
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    ya kinda contradicting yourself there, but a change in attitude is needed
     
  5. Double Barrel

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    I'm not on the Fire Kubiak bandwagon, but I do have to wonder why he called a bootleg instead of just running the ball to eat some clock and force Indy into using their last timeout.
     
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    i agree. this just doesnt feel like our 2 and 14 season. imo this is the best team we have ever fielded and the wins will come. but patience is not a most fans strong point.
     
  7. Polo

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    Probably because he was trying to get the first down....

    I'd imagine he told Sage to only throw it if a guy is clearly open...Run it if nothing is there, take the sack if all else fails...

    Colts were expecting the run and were stacking against it...Good play call IMHO...not the desired reults obviously...

    Had Sage not fumbled the ball or passed for the first down many around here would praise Kubiak for his "agressive play calling"....He was trying to be assertive and have his team make the plays to close the game by calling a play that atleast gave them a chance to get the first...

    I forget, Do you guys wanna be more conservative or agressive ?
     
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    because the game was won if you don't do anything risky and everyone knows a naked bootleg with a QB running in space vs NFL linebackers is the safe call right there.
     


  9. Porky

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    I was wondering the same thing. I think they went a bit too "cute" there. Apparently, my understanding was that they told Sage to play it safe there. Roll out, and if he didn't have a wide open target, play it safe, pull it down and get what you can by running.

    I would have preffered to take the ball out of Sage's hands there because of his history, but I can't totally fault the play calling there either. In the end, that was on Sage.

    He executed the play as called until the final couple of seconds, when he wanted to be the hero and have everyone in town calling the post game shows and writing the papers about how wonderful he is, and how a statue ought to be erected outside the stadium. So instead of playing it safe and sliding, he went the hero route, as if he was flipping into the end zone. Granted a first down puts the knife in, and just about turns it.

    Pathetic. Sage put Sage first and not the team first there. Inexcusable. And if accountability has any meaning at all, he should be cut. Period. This team needs to be shown that if you put yourself first and/or make inexcusible mental errors, your walking papers will be greeting you at your locker the next day. Acceptance of this stuff has led us right down the rathole.

    I would rather have a backup with less talent and something besides rocks for brians who implodes at the worst possible times. Losers makes losing plays, and that was the biggest losing play you will ever see.
     
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    if the qb slides before he gets tackled like normal, its a very safe call. dont even have to worry about the qb to rb exchange.
     
  11. Double Barrel

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    You can excuse it all you want. Don't ASSUME that I or anyone else wants "conservative or aggressive" playcalling. There is a time for each, and sometimes within the same game.

    Fisher is well known for sitting on leads with the most basic of gamecalling. People call him out for it. But guess what? He has one of the highest winning percentages when he has a lead in the 4th quarter. There is a reason for that, and it's called being a PROFESSIONAL HEAD COACH and knowing when to make the right calls to win games.

    Making excuses for a losing mentality and inability to seal the deal in games like yesterday's only continues to perpetuate a losing mentality. There comes a point when you just have to see things for what they are at the end of the day. The results speak for themselves.
     
  12. Texecutioner

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    You're completely right.

    The homers will blame everything on Sage, and still kiss Gary's ass no matter how far we sink. Some people think Kubiak hung the moon the way he gets excuses made for him and this team.

    We have a losing culture ingrained in this team. Kubiak never changed that. He's stubborn and hasn't made good adjustments since he's been here. We find ways to lose games and foolish mistakes over and over. WELL COACHED TEAMS DON"T DO THAT! Well coached teams find ways to win and pull out games.

    At the end of the day, their is always some excuse as to why their is an L in our record column rather than a W and that is what matters most. The Houston Texans team doesn't have any confidence right now and they don't believe in Gary Kubiak. Anyone that thinks this team believes in this Kubiak guy is out of their mind. Why would they? We had a game in our hands and yet blew another one. I don't care what player's fault it was or who blew it. This stuff keeps happening some how and some way and in the end it goes back to the head coach. Our defense is horrible, but even when it plays well like yesterday it can't hold the Colts when we really NEEDED them to step up for the offense's mistakes. Then when the defense isn't up to par the offense isn't able to out score or give them a crutch. We don't find ways to get luck nor do we take advantage of BREAKS or what people might call LUCK. We give LUCK to other teams like we just did to the Colts. We give other team's breaks.

    All of this comes from being a team that doesn't have a winning culture that expects to WIN games. Kubiak has not brought a winning culture here and I'm not some fan that's going to wait 5 years for a coaching staff to have a team believing in them. Kubiak needs to go after this season.
     
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    As mad as I am with Sage, Kubiak put this on him. If I were Sage, and I knew the only way for me to ever be named the starter was to show some moxey, I would have tried to win the game instead of playing dead. Had sage engineered another scoring drive or even moved the chains with that leap, everyone right now would be asking what we could get for our "other" quaterback. Sage would be a hero and Kubes would HAVE to start him. Unfortunate for us all that Kubiak doen't work that way, so Sage was forced to sell himself like that.
     
  14. Polo

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    Really ?

    The results tell me that we have a head coach and front office that have continuosly improved the team since they've gotten here...

    If results are the only thing that matters how about waiting till the end of the season before we deem Kubiak a failure or determine he can't coach, constantly makes boneheaded decisions, ect...

    Especially since the team (speaking strictly from a "results" standpoint) has gotten better ever since he's been here...
     
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  15. Double Barrel

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    yeah, starting a season 0-4 is a HUGE "improvement". :ok:

    It took Capers & Co. four seasons to get that far in "improving" the team.
     
  16. Texecutioner

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    Wake up POLO! They're 0-4. That is not getting better. And winning two more games a year isn't exactly the kind of improvements that people should be happy about. It was an acceptable improvement last season, but no way are they improving their record this season. When you are in your third season as head coach and you're team isn't improving then you've gotta go. Nothing more to be discussed.
     
  17. Polo

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    You used the word "results".

    Sorry you guys can only judge improvement by the record/ W's & L's. That must suck as a fan.
     
  18. Double Barrel

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    And you completely dodged the previous discussion that you started with me. You took one line from my reply to you and disregarded the rest of the point.

    What do YOU judge a team by as a fan, since you seem to be so insightful and condescending towards us lesser fans and our perspectives? You say we are continually improving, so it appears obvious that you are much more accepting of choking and losing than the rest of us.
     
  19. Errant Hothy

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    Look at it this way, if Sage had slide; 4th down might have been a Kris Brown attempt from around 50 yards. A punt would have likely gone in the endzone and only netted you 15 yards or so.
     
  20. Polo

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    Wasn't trying to ignore you...I rearely respond to every point in every post I quote...
     

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