Cowboys, 'Skins lose cap space, most other teams gain

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  1. nero THE zero

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    Adam Schefter
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    NFL is taking away millions of dolllar of salary-cap space from Cowboys and Redskins for how they front-loaded deals during uncapped year.

    Adam Schefter
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    Cowboys lose $10 million in cap space, Redskins lose $36 million in space. Can split it over 2012 and 2013 any way they want. More at ESPN.

    Adam Schefter
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    All that money goes to 28 other teams -- $1.6 million each -- except for Saints and Raiders, who don't get any but don't lose any.
     
  2. Doppelganger

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    $36 million in lost space?! DAMN Gina.

    Remember how a lot of people were saying that McNair not spending like crazy in the uncapped year like the Cowboys and Skins meant he wasn't serious about winning?

    Yeah...
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  3. Señor Stan

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    Dang, I take back everything I said about the Texans being dumb for not front loading a new deal for Mario in the uncapped year.
     
  4. Dutchrudder

    Dutchrudder King of the Potato People

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    I'm happy to hear about it, but I do think it's unfair to assess that sort of penalty for a year that was supposed to be uncapped.
     
  5. paycheck71

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    In fairness, I think this is complete BS on the part of the NFL unless teams were warned not to go crazy in the uncapped year. Since only two teams have been punished, I'm thinking there may have been some kind of warning. But if not, spending money in the uncapped year just sounded like good business
     
  6. XI CMURDER IX

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    I think teams were warned to not go crazy and it was the general consensus of the NFL owners during free agency last off-season to proceed forward like there will be a cap in place next year. Remember us talking about teams self-imposing cap numbers? Seems like the Cowboys and Redskins sure didn't.
     
  7. ChampionTexan

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    Supposedly, instructions went out ahead of time.
    LINK
     
  8. ChampionTexan

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    I wonder if there might be any teams still to be announced. If what I've read is correct, Julius Peppers contract clearly would have fallen into the category of dumping dollars into the uncapped year.
     


  9. XI CMURDER IX

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    They said that the remaining money would be dispersed evenly over the other teams. $1.6 million dollars for each team, except the Saints and Raiders.
     
  10. Dutchrudder

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    Here's a list of caphits from September 2010 according to PFT:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/19/team-by-team-salary-cap-numbers-if-there-were-a-salary-cap/

    An ESPN article says the Saints and Raiders apparently will not get any piece of the savings, so we can only assume the cutoff was at the Saint's cap number and the Raiders were right there too. Could be other teams to come, we shall see.

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7677375/sources-dallas-cowboys-washington-redskins-lose-millions-cap-space
     
  11. ChampionTexan

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    Yeah, then it makes sense.
     
  12. ObsiWan

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    You too make an excellent point. Why is there a penalty of any sort if the year is supposed to be absent any sort of cap??

    In truth it wasn't an Uncapped Year, it was a retro-capped year. That hardly seems fair to me.
     
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    The owners agreed to the rules and knew beforehand that they might be retroactive. Seems silly to agree to something then complain that it is unfair afterword.
     
  14. infantrycak

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    There was a warning letter sent to all the teams. Not sure where the authority comes from but they were warned. Also not sure how the entirety of sports reporting didn't know about this and the letter long ago.

    Edit - now there is a report the NFL warned the teams six times about this.
     
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    The Boys and the Skins have always played on the fringes of money dealings. If they choose to sue the NFL, this could be Jones' and Snyder's Waterloo.

    Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap messMarch 17, 2012, 11:08 AM EDT

     
  17. Playoffs

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    Add in Bud Adams and you have the trinity of NFL owner jerks.

    I hope they sue. I hope the league stands up to Jerruh & Snyderman. Everyone else managed to follow the rules except the integrity challenged. F 'em.
     
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    Great writeup by Sally Jenkins:

    ...The word is that Snyder is beside himself, but he has only his uncontrollable self-interest to blame. What happened was this: Back in 2010, when the NFL entered hardball negotiations with the players union for a new labor contract, the owners warned each other not to use the situation to get a leg up. They were in an uncapped year, with no limit on player salaries, and entering a tense and emotionally fraught labor situation, and they asked each other not to abuse the circumstances.

    In essence they said, “Don’t try to set yourselves up to be in a better spot when this is over.” Think of it like a yellow caution flag in a car race: The drivers agree to hold their places and not to accelerate until the track is clear.

    But that’s exactly what Snyder did. To a lesser extent, so did Cowboys owner Jerry Jones. Jones just sped up a little. Snyder apparently floored it. The Redskins shifted money, moved it, dumped it, and did everything they could to emerge from the labor pause with the books cleared of bad numbers, so when it was over they could get the biggest jump possible on other franchises in buying up new players.

    The NFL has ordered the Redskins to take a $36 million hit over two seasons, while the Cowboys have been told to give back $10 million.

    Think about that for a moment: Jones is generally the most excessive operator in the NFL yet Snyder apparently outstripped him by more than three times. That is a serious fiscal rebuke from Commissioner Roger Goodell and the management council. The fact that they did it on the eve of free agency tells you how harshly they meant to punish.

    What’s more, one person told Mark Maske of The Post that some of the owners considered $36 million letting the Redskins off easy.

    “A lot of people were very angry about it,” the person said. “The ramifications could have been far worse for them.” Apparently some even recommended that the Redskins should lose draft picks.

    Snyder is said to be lawyering up and alleging “collusion,” but experts say a legal challenge will be tough. For one thing, colluding in this instance means improperly acting collectively to suppress salaries. But salaries weren’t suppressed. They were just moved around, manipulated by the Redskins for the purpose of evasion and gaining a future competitive advantage when the cap was reinstated. For another, the group that the NFL owners supposedly colluded against, the union, has signed off on the punishment...



    read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...-them/2012/03/13/gIQAjYlVAS_story.html?sub=AR
     
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  19. CloakNNNdagger

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    The wheels are in motion.

    PFT:

     
  20. Playoffs

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    NFL teams back decision to cut salary cap of Redskins, Cowboys
    By Mark Maske

    NFL teams voted, 29-0, Tuesday to endorse the salary cap reductions imposed by the league on the Washington Redskins and Dallas Cowboys.

    The Redskins and Cowboys were not involved in the vote. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers abstained, a person familiar with the vote said.
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    Approval by the teams was not required for the NFL-mandated reductions, which already have taken effect, so the vote was taken as a show of support for the league’s action.

    The Redskins and Cowboys, under a provision in the sport’s collective bargaining agreement, have filed a case to an arbitrator challenging the reductions. The case is to be heard by Stephen Burbank, a University of Pennsylvania law professor who serves as the sport’s “system arbitrator.” A decision by Burbank could be appealed to an appeals panel...
     

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