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I'm off today...I'll lay off the milk now.Only if I were saying that Mack Brown's offense was a more NFL ready offense. Context, MT.
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I'm off today...I'll lay off the milk now.Only if I were saying that Mack Brown's offense was a more NFL ready offense. Context, MT.
ah okay.Vince Young has something that Troy Smith does not. That is the fire burning in VY that does not allow him to quit, what got UT the Rose Bowl.
Troy is more NFL ready, Vince is the bigger gamble and obviously could be the better in the long run. As of right now though, I think Troy could do more if Vince doesnt prove anything.Vince Young has something that Troy Smith does not. That is the fire burning in VY that does not allow him to quit, what got UT the Rose Bowl.
They're still in contention because Vince is already in the NFL.Troy is more NFL ready, Vince is the bigger gamble and obviously could be the better in the long run. As of right now though, I think Troy could do more if Vince doesnt prove anything.
Also, I forgot Ohio State was already out of contention for the National Championship . . .
But your a buckeye, therefore your opinion is worthless...jk. I think VY is one of the top 10 greatest college quarterbacks ever. He has the ability to take a team on his back and carry them like very few people can. Untill Smith shows that kind of ability, VY is still the better player. As a thrower, Smith is better, but as overall player, VY every time.I will refrain from posting
I have been saying "Smith, Houston Texan 2007."
I thought he was talking about that other thing Vince has that Troy dosnt (a national championship..)ah okay.
It is completely obvious to me how a QB who gambles will inevitably succeed in the NFL.Troy is more NFL ready, Vince is the bigger gamble and obviously could be the better in the long run. As of right now though, I think Troy could do more if Vince doesnt prove anything.
you would have said the same thing if I told you before last season that Vince would have 4000 total yds. you would say no it wont happen because it never has before. he still did it4000 yards isn't going to happen. sorry. you don't see 4000 yard passers in college unless they're at hawaii or texas tech or similar.
I haven't watched a lot of Ohio State Games, But last year there were a lot of games that VY didn't even play in the fourth quater....you would have said the same thing if I told you before last season that Vince would have 4000 total yds. you would say no it wont happen because it never has before. he still did it
thats true. Im a UT homer so Im biased. but Vince didnt even step on the field in the second half against Baylor and Kansas. And he didnt play the 4th quarter in the majority of the gamesI haven't watched a lot of Ohio State Games, But last year there were a lot of games that VY didn't even play in the fourth quater....
Exactly. And Matt Leinart did the exact opposite, he played in every Fourth quarter and 2nd half. A lot of his yards/TDs came when they were up 40-0. I've never seen USC go easy on someone. (I'm an LSU fan and we take our starters out after a 30+ lead)thats true. Im a UT homer so Im biased. but Vince didnt even step on the field in the second half against Baylor and Kansas. And he didnt play the 4th quarter in the majority of the games
...and his determination. However, Troy Smith is more lethal with his arm.Titan "Tack" Fan;477628 said:VY's size and elusiveness make him better.
They both have their pros and cons. I think Troy Smith is more NFL ready now than Vince Young was at this point last season. Young has more overall athletic talent but like you said, Smith has an awesome arm. That thing is a rocket launcher. Smith probably won't be 1st round draft pick and if he is, I think it'll be late 1st round. He's barely over 6 feet tall which is going to hurt his draft status quite a bit I think....and his determination. However, Troy Smith is more lethal with his arm.
Maybe becuae it's not really fair to compare a players junior year to another players senior year....Im not really sure how that doesn't make sense...and why does it matter if he's a senior and young was a junior? you longwhorn fans are quick to defend young using points that mean nothing. the question is who's a better prospect, young or smith. simple as that.
That's a suckers argument....You almost had me though....and possess the same natural ability to run, and I'd put good money on it that Smith is faster than Young.
Be real with yourself....If VY would have stayed another year Smith might quite possibly have been the 3rd or 4th QB taken in next years draft....if if if if if if if
That would be true or funny if I was a sucker.That's a suckers argument....You almost had me though....
Smith will probally be taken as the 3rd or 4th QB, but again, I think he will be better than Quinn and better than Henne or Stanton. I like Brohm though.Be real with yourself....If VY would have stayed another year Smith might quite possibly have been the 3rd or 4th QB taken in next years draft....
I don't think Smith Sucks....I really don't know what to think of him honestly....I am not really sure who the best QB coming out is going to be...That would be true or funny if I was a sucker.
Smith is a quick QB who can get "north and south" well. When I said runner, I meant that he has the ability to run, not that he does as much as Young. Smith is the next McNabb.
Signed Matt Leinart.Be real with yourself....If VY would have stayed another year Smith might quite possibly have been the 3rd or 4th QB taken in next years draft....
not the sameSigned Matt Leinart.
I'm a longhorn fan...troy smith has a very strong arm. definitely stronger than vince young.
and why does it matter if he's a senior and young was a junior? you longwhorn fans are quick to defend young using points that mean nothing. the question is who's a better prospect, young or smith. simple as that.
Well since VY is "unique" I guess that is a pretty thick limb you are on.I see more Troy Smith type players than Vince Young type players fail when taking the next step.
it a'int basketballYou would draft a six foot tall QB? Or would you rather have 6'4 VY.
Whether the limb is thick or thin in the abstract it does seem to go well with the debate. Proof is in the pudding and we all know how subjective proof in the pudding can be.Well since VY is "unique" I guess that is a pretty thick limb you are on.
Young was the 3rd overall pick coming out as a Jr.and why does it matter if he's a senior and young was a junior? you longwhorn fans are quick to defend young using points that mean nothing. the question is who's a better prospect, young or smith. simple as that.
What does that have to do with this debate ?Vick went number 1 but how many super bowls does he have? Brady went in the 6th round and how many does he have?
People screw up in the draft. Just because someone is drafted higher, it does not mean they will be better.
Read my post again...People screw up in the draft. Just because someone is drafted higher, it does not mean they will be better.
We're not talking better player...we're talking about the better prospect.Huge said:Young was the 3rd overall pick coming out as a Jr.
Smith will not go that high coming out as a Sr.
Logic says that makes Young the better prospect.
Simple as that.
You are right, my bad. I misunderstood your post.Read my post again...
We're not talking better player...we're talking about the better prospect.
Emmitt Smith turned out to be a better RB than Blair Thomas. But guess which one was the better RB prospect in that draft? That's right, the one that went #2 overall...Thomas.
Sorry, but that is not a truism. What it means is one team thought he was a better prospect--a highly subjective determination and a situation where teams force needs over bpa, i.e. best prospect.Read my post again...
We're not talking better player...we're talking about the better prospect.
Emmitt Smith turned out to be a better RB than Blair Thomas. But guess which one was the better RB prospect in that draft? That's right, the one that went #2 overall...Thomas.
Well thats your money to loose, if you want to bet that Smith has a sub 4.4 fourty and can out run Marlin Jackson who is the current CB for the Colts then ok. Check the 2005 Rose Bowl and see VY blow by Jackson.I'd put good money on it that Smith is faster than Young.
Did you see any of Smith's TDs from last weeks game? Kid was throwing lasers into the endzone. ANd throwing a good deep ball isn't the same as having a strong arm. The benchmark route for arm strenght is the 10 to 15 yard out. The guys who can routinly make that throw are the one's who are considered to hav eteh big arms.Well thats your money to loose, if you want to bet that Smith has a sub 4.4 fourty and can out run Marlin Jackson who is the current CB for the Colts then ok. Check the 2005 Rose Bowl and see VY blow by Jackson.
And anyone can throw a great deep ball to Ted Ginn, put it up and let him go get it, but to say that his arm is stronger than VYs isnt unbelievable but I doubt it, have you ever seen VY underthrow any of his deep routes 60 yards down field, if anything he puts it almost out of reach.
You must have never seen Ted Ginn run before, thats like saying that a race between AJ and Jerome Mathis would be interesting, AJ is fast but kids like Mathis and Ginn are on a totaly different level.Did you see any of Smith's TDs from last weeks game? Kid was throwing lasers into the endzone. ANd throwing a good deep ball isn't the same as having a strong arm. The benchmark route for arm strenght is the 10 to 15 yard out. The guys who can routinly make that throw are the one's who are considered to hav eteh big arms.
Ohh, and by the way Limus Sweed isn't that much slower then Ginn, neither is Cosby. In fact a foot race between the three would be pretty interseting.
I challenge you to find footage of VY throwing a 10 or 15 yard OUT route. I've seen just about all of the snaps VY took as a Longhorn and I cannot recall any.You must have never seen Ted Ginn run before, thats like saying that a race between AJ and Jerome Mathis would be interesting, AJ is fast but kids like Mathis and Ginn are on a totaly different level.
As far as 10 to 15 yard routes go, watch some film from last year, he threw ropes to David Thomas all year, he hit receivers all over the field. Just look at the TD he threw 2 weeks ago against the Redskins, on a line for like 15-20 yards.
Right, VY didnt throw that route at UT, and as you pointed out he does have the arm strength to throw it. So it still gets back to my original question which nobody has ever answered. Okay, I dont doubt that Smith has great arm strenght, his arm may be stronger than VY's, but if it is then its not a big enough to make a difference, its not like we are comparing Vick and Pennington, they both have extrememly strong arms.I challenge you to find footage of VY throwing a 10 or 15 yard OUT route. I've seen just about all of the snaps VY took as a Longhorn and I cannot recall any.
15 yard curls? YES. 15 yard slants? Sure. 15 yard out routes? Nope, sorry. It's not a throw most college teams use due to the fact that if teh QB doesn't fastball into the receiver it will likely be picked off and run back for a TD.
With all that being said VY can throw the route, he did so well at his pro day, it's just that he never did in a game situation.
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As for Cosby v Sweed v Ginn, Cosby won state titles at 100 (10.46) and 200 (21.31). My money would probally be on Ginn but Cosby and Sweed posses elite speed also.
RS Sophomore...Quick note on Pat White..... Isn't he a sophmore ?
If you are talking about college achievments, it's not even close....As far as whose better.....They'll be about equal if Troy Smith wins a title.