Could a benching help restore Carr's jilted confidence?

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  1. texan279

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    If Carr continues to be dumped and the Texans suffer more losses — inevitable with Seattle and Indianapolis a combined 8-2 — at some point Capers may be forced to make the most difficult decision of his four seasons in Houston: Should Carr be given a couple of games off?

    Capers, owner Bob McNair and general manager Charley Casserly are adamant that Carr isn't the problem, that he is the quarterback of the present and future. McNair will fork over $8 million before the season ends to extend Carr's contract for three years.

    But sometimes quarterbacks have to sit for a game or two in their best interests and the best interests of the team.

    It's a decision no one in the organization wants to consider at this point for several reasons. They have confidence in Carr's ability and believe if they solve the blocking problems that his performance will improve.

    They don't want to shatter his confidence at a time when it must be teeter-tottering considering the beating he absorbs every week.

    They would be in a precarious position if they sat Carr for a couple of games and Tony Banks was able to avoid sacks and move the offense — which could happen in the short term because Banks has six more seasons of experience than Carr and has been hit about 1,000 fewer times. But if Banks were able to move the offense, and the Texans won a game or two, it wouldn't be fair to take him out.

    That's a decision Capers doesn't want to have to make. But Capers is no novice. He has changed starting quarterbacks before. He's been fired. He knows his job's on the line. So are the jobs of his assistants. So far, Capers has made some tough decisions on his staff and in the starting lineup.

    Carr's toughness is unquestioned, but his productivity as a passer is drastically off, and there are many reasons why,

    He has missed receivers, and they've dropped passes. Coaches don't want him to be on pace to surpass his career highs for carries and rushing yards. At the quarter point, Carr's on pace to run 88 times for 580 yards.

    To Carr's credit, he takes a licking and keeps on ticking, but ask any coach or scout who watches tape of Texans games, and they'll tell you that he is to blame for a lot of the sacks.

    One NFC coach who has watched tape of the Texans' games said this week that Carr has been hit so much that when he drops back and can't find a receiver immediately, he bails. That's a result of being sacked 167 times and getting hit many, many more.

    An AFC personnel director who has watched the Texans says Carr has been hit so many times from so many angles that if he sets up and looks down the field and doesn't see a receiver, his head starts to swivel.

    He feels the rush and instinctively expects to get crushed. When he bails, he might run right into a pass rusher. The blockers have no clue where he's going, so they don't know which way to try to take their man.


    Carr is experiencing what many highly rated and highly paid quarterbacks have gone through. They play with bad teams early in their careers, and when things start to fall apart, they crater. It's not just in one area, either. And it's impossible to turn it around overnight.
     
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    It would not hurt in my estimation if things continue to go South. Maybe David needs to compete for the job in order to shake his mental state. Let's face it he has not felt the heat of competition since at least his Senior year of College.
     
  3. Kaiser Toro

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    C'mon bigTex I tried to qualify my timeline with an at least. :) There does seem to be many people in the know about Fresno Football on this board. :hmmm:
     
  4. MorKnolle

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    Speaking as a former athlete, I don't see how benching one of your star players is supposed to increase his confidence. Sure it might protect him from getting sacked a few more times, but that is about it. Benching him sends a message that the coaches don't have confidence in him to run this offense, so I can't see how that would help, and I know Banks and Ragone would not be able to run the offense any better.
     
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    I agree from the same standpoint as Morknolle. I was a good athlete, but my coaches never had confidence in me. This had alot of off the court reasons, but it really does shake your confidence. It makes you ask yourself if you are really as bad as the ***** coach thinks you are.
     
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    If the season starts off 0-8 I do not see how you do not bench him. He obviously has a lot of experience playing behind a bad line, if he can't play behind now he never will, why would you want him to become injured? Moreover, we may see something in Ragone (I haven't seen it yet, but you never know).

    And speaking as a former college athlete and coach, competition is good, losses are bad. There comes a time when coddling one player's confidence becomes a cancer on the team.
     
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    I agree with KT.

    At some point, it might be better to bench him for his long-term safety more than anything.

    DC can re-build his confidence, in both himself and in his team, at a future point when decent protection has been consistently established by the offense. At the moment, he seems shell-shocked, which is not an indication of his talent, but rather the constant pressure and pounding that he's suffered for over three seasons.
     
  8. Runner

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    Could a benching help restore Carr's jilted confidence?

    I don't know, we could ask Buchanon, Babin (kind of), Wade or Riley, and, umm ????????

    Hard to believe that playing as poorly as we are these are the only examples. Who am I missing?
     


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    I can't believe it but--Wand.
     
  10. mean mark8

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    I think Carr needs some time off. I started a thread earlier in the week stating such. I used the quote from Monday's Chronicle where he says he doesn't have confidence in his receiving corps without AJ out there. Man, he doesn't have confidence in his entire offense, except maybe DD.

    Our offense is still extremely predictable which doesn't help. Why do we run to the left in like a 3-1 ratio when Wade is supposed to be a bulldozer? And all play-action is with a fake to the left and Carr rolling right; we set it up with all those runs to the left. Who out there can't call virtually every offensive play we have in our arsenal? Defenses can tee off on every play after a half-second's thought.

    Maybe if Carr could watch from the sidelines and review film, etc. he could actually see what's happening. When you're under constant pressure, from the defense, from the media, and from your fans, it's hard to see the forest for the trees.
     
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    I had him in there but edited him out upon further consideration - I was looking for benchings due to this season's "regression".
     
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    If the Patriots didnt take bench and throw in Brady they wouldnt have accomplished what they have. You never know until you try. And really it cant do anything to hurt Carr to bench him, it would just motivate him.
     
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    It could make Carr feel worse.
     
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    Another quote from Carr from FOXSports.com:

    "When we get in obvious passing situations, that's where it's the hardest for us," Carr said. "When we can stay in normal down and distances in run and play action, we're fine. If we have to drop back and pass, we're not good enough to do that right now."

    Should this guy be starting for us?

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4986656

    I might add, 6 of our 13 non-3rd down conversions were for 4 yards or less. Are those obvious passing situations?
     
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    I think benching Carr would just solidify his departure at the end of the season. Unless Mr. McNair and the coaching staff told him he was being benched so he wouldnt get killed.
     
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    I could be wrong on this but I don't think Drew Bledsow was benched, he got hurt and never got his job back.
     
  17. texan279

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    I posted an article with an opinion about our current situation, which also includes opinions from others around the NFL about our team which is what a MB is for, a place to discuss facts and opinions.
     
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    If we're looking at it from the standpoint of who's gonna take all the hits, then I say we use Buchannon as the QB. :tv:

    Otherwise, no, I really don't think Carr's confidence would rise from being benched.
     
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    :tomato: Why can't you bench Carr if you play musical lineman ? Why can't you bench Carr if you bench Babin and PBuch ? This is the problem if Carr's this fragile in his ego he'll be a pouter .
    If you bench Carr and Ragone makes plays then what have you learned . What if the line rallies around Ragone and plays their butts off and they play like team ? If you bench Carr and Ragone gets killed also ... well its that the O line stinks .
    Point is I think the Carr backers fear having an open competition because of what might be exposed . Nothing ventuered nothing gained .

    :ok: Look on the bright side... the whole Carr clan is finacially set for life regardless .
     
  20. JfromthaTray

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    Babin must have gotten hurt in practice after he was benched for his poor play.
     

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