Colts Looking to Incorporate Mullti-TE Formations

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  1. CloakNNNdagger

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    It appears that as other teams have focused on the importance of a multi-TE system, the Texans are showing (at least at this point in the offseason) a lesser interest in TE strength.
     
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    Sweet. Just more TE's for our OLB to beat up on.
     
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    Below average O-line, below average defense/@WR/running game ..... Colts will be dinking & dunking to their rookie TEs hoping to keep Luck alive. Problem is Fleener's ceiling is that of Owen Daniels, not Gronkowski or Graham. Allen is an in line blocking TE, not Aaron Hernandez. So I don't see Indy executing at the level of New England ... ever.
     
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    Just as the Texans in the 2011 draft beefed up on the defense for every pick except the TJ Yates pick...the Colts have to stock up on OL in the next draft or begin picking up free agent OL.

    Two TEs doesn't make you a good passing offense. You have to have a great OL and you have to have a potent RB, too. And a FB for certain packages. And you have to have a great o-coord running it all.

    They're in the infancy stages of re-inventing their offense, so you obviously cannot buy all the groceries all at once. They have to make lots of right moves in order to complete their new system.

    And I still think there's something about Andrew Luck that tells me he won't be as good as Peyton Manning was. Ok, I get it: Luck is one of the best prospects SINCE Manning...but that's not saying he will be like Manning. He might be the next Drew Bledsoe or the next Sage Rosenfels...a guy who is accurate but doesn't really have an all-world NFL career.

    He's going to see and experience things in the NFL that he never did at Stanford. The game is faster, it's bigger, it's stronger, and it's less forgiving and more punishing than NCAA. Ask Vince Young.
     
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    2 TE sets work really, really well... when you have Tom Brady throwing to Gronk and Hernandez. Luck and Fleener have a long, long way to go before they are Brady to Gronk
     
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    Colts ran lots of two te stuff before...so, what's new?
     
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    Sounds like they will be using 3 TE sets more now.
     
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    Yeah, this is kind of a "so what" to me. They were like the Texans in that they ran a higher percentage of 2 TE sets than a lot of teams. At least when both Clark and Tamme were healthy.

    I don't know how much they ran 3 TE sets. I didn't really pay that much attention to their sets.
     
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    using two te's with a "pass catching" TE in the slot isn't all that novel.
     
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    yeah, they ran a lot of balanced formations with a stretch play action. It's just gonna be with different numbers on the jersies. :)
     
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    Pretty much everything else except the two te stuff.
     
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    I don't recall too many teams doing that, but besides that I don't recall the colts running many 3 TE sets.
     
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    First, I agree that the Colts initially will have more of a dink and dunk offense. What I disagree with is your evaluations of Fleener and Allen. Fleener's measurables and production compare very favorably to Gronkowski and Graham. And Allen is not strictly an inline TE (if he is even that). He's a former basketball player who understands positioning and has great hands.

    Who knows how the Indy offense will shake out down the road. But I think Indy going 2 TEs is smart, with the proliferation of 3-4 defenses. And with the best QB, and 2 best TEs in the draft, the Colts have a good chance of eventually making it work.
     
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    I remember how all of the Colts players, last year at the start of the season, said they weren't scared at all about not having Manning as the QB. I mean, they acted like it was no big deal and that they were all together and would still be fine on Sundays. Oops.

    Luck is a good prospect. Fleener is a good prospect. Outside of that, they have Reggie Wayne. They lost Garcon, have a new HC, rookie QB, rookie TE who will be expected to be top-flight for their rookie QB, no running game, no o-line, and a very awful defense that did not get vastly better via FA nor in the draft.

    They have their work cut out for them. The Titans are the only team that concerns me in the AFCS. Colts and Jags are going to be pedestrian all year long.

    The Colts offense will struggle to surpass their 2011 numbers, IMO. The learning curve is too steep, the talent is too shallow, and the rest of the NFL is not going to be scared of The Stanford Two.
     
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    I've re-watched that game a few times already this offseason. At the beginning of the game, Dan Dierdorf recounted about how he talked to the Colts vets and how pissed off they were about how some people were picking them to only win a game or two and how ridiculous that was and how they were going to come out and show the world that they were a professional team and very talented and blah blah blah. It's almost embarrassing to listen to.

    But so fun to watch us beat the snot out of them.
     
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    Most teams run them in short yardage. If they run them in conventional down and distance situations is to be seen. As far as splitting the TE out off the line or putting him in motion into a pattern is all this is. Happens in every game of the year by any team that has a pass catching TE type.
     
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    Almost as fun as hammering tacks. :fans:
     
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    Not my evaluations -- from Bob McGinn: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/draftcaps21-vn4vq5o-148344735.html
    I don't doubt they'll be good players. I'm just questioning if copying the Patriots 2TE offense makes sense if you don't have Rob Gronkowski -- is it Brady+Gronkowski+scheme, or Brady+Top10TE+scheme, or Top10QB+Top10TE+scheme?
     
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    Yeah, it was very funny to watch them primp and pose in front of the cameras...in full denial of their new reality that was about to ensue.

    They have even gotten worse since then. Who is their RB, by the way? Donald Brown or some clown like that?

    Did you notice that the Colts seemingly draft a QB #1 every 8 to 10 years? Jeff George, then Manning, and now Luck?

    What if Luck turns out to be more Jeff George than Peyton Manning? We were told Reggie Bush was the next Gale Sayers. He was going to be other-worldly immediately, according to all the major analysts who covered that year's draft. Houston was officially deemed to be a colossal failure for not drafting him.

    I can see the same thing happening with Luck. Every year the Kipers and Mayocks have to have a golden boy who is "the best in the world" and all that jazz. I think Luck has a lot of pressure. You never want to be the man who replaces The Man. You want to be the man who replaced the man who replaced The Man.
     

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