"Coach convinced QB's technique fails under stress"

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  1. nunusguy

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    "I teach a quarterback to read with his feet," Kubiak said. "You take a three-step drop, you hit your ball foot, the ball goes here; if he's not open, you hitch, the ball goes here. That's the way you teach a guy to read. It is different for (Carr), what I'm teaching, so it's difficult for him."
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/4315381.html
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    Kinda a wierd story heading, but that's Megan Manfulls language for this story which is probably best appreciated by you guys who know about the nuances of playing QB.
     
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    I heard this quote this morning. It indicates (to me) that Kubiak is having to go through a process of 'deprogramming' Carr from the conditioning he's endured from 200+ sacks in four seasons. And he probably has to undo the garbage put into DC's head from the previous regime. I have to wonder where Carr's development would be right now if he'd been coached by Kubiak for his entire career.

    That is a weird story heading, though. :um:
     
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    One thing that is very important in life is realizing when you are in over your head and doing something about it. Self-evaluation is so critical and it seems to me from what I have read that Carr doesn't do that.

    It seems as though Carr went through his first 4 years on autopilot not questioning a thing from Capers or getting help somewhere else.

    If I was the #1 pick in the draft and with a $60 million dollar contract, I would like to think that I could realize my shortcomings and find some way to fix them despite coaching staff or talent around me.

    It seems like Carr just waits around for someone to tell him something than trying to figuring it out on his own.

    A good example of that is that after year 3 he finally went to Capers and told him he was being sacked too many times. My first question was, why did he wait 3 years to discuss that with Capers? I would have discussed that during the rookie season.

    Maybe I am being too critical of Carr and I definitely don't know everything he does to make himself better, but I just don't get the sense that he is proactive in the betterment of his QB skills or career. It seems like he waits around for other people to tell him what to do.
     
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    Lets take a quick look at the "old regime" v. the "new":
    Kubiak:
    Young, Elway and Plummer (who was improved last season)

    Palmer:
    Couch, Bledsoe, Brunell and DC.......
     
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    FYI - writers in major newpapers do not write their own headlines. They have headline writers for that.

    In any case, his footwork has always been shoddy.
     
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    Sickening to think, isn't it? With the weapons Carr has, if they'd taken hold of him after college, taught him to hold onto the ball and STOP STARING DOWN EVERY DAMN RECEIVER he throws to, we could potentially have one of the very best QBs in the NFL playing for us right now. Those are both cardinal sins and he's still pretty good, even with all that.
     
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    Well, this is the sort of story that I want to hear. A specific technical problem stated in absolute terms is something that can be fixed. To me that's much more interesting than things like "we need to play better on the road" or "we need to protect the football" or 'we need to execute better".
     
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    Makes you wonder about all of the other draft "busts" we've had, doesn't it? Maybe the problem wasn't talent evaluation but player development. I imagine the Texans have short circuited some careers that could have been better.
     


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    which is why Capers was the first to go.
     
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    Nice to hear it coming from the staff, but it certainly was no mystery if you watched any of our games over the last 4.5 years. Two left feet don't make a right.
     
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    In Kubiak's comments he also said Carr does not audible, that is not part of our game, I believe he said, so we know more about why Carr does some of the things he does. I was impressed with the fact AJ finally helped out his QB by going after the catch instead of letting the ball come to him. All in all, last week was a winnable game against another team with more talent then we have. The Titan game was our gift to them.
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    Just because I am a I need to bring it up that we can still finish with a winning record, and I for one believe.
     
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    So his feet get out of wack because he has been hammered ever since he got here.............WoW!:yawn:

    I think I will write an article on "Houston Texas is humid".
     
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    I stated this in an earlier post, but I think it interesting that no one wants to discuss that Carr appears to not take a personal interest in his own development.

    It appears as though he waits around for the coach to tell him what to do or to explain something that he is doing wrong. If that doesn't happen, he just chugs along.

    A mark of a good professional (or anyone wanting to be successful in life) is being proactive in his or her own development and knowing when he makes a mistake or has bad technique without a coach's input.
     
  14. real

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    LMAO....How can you do the "right thing" if you don't know what "the right thing" is ????
     
  15. Here is what I see the problems of Carr are:

    • Directional throws - Carr is the type of QB that throws lazers, he needs to be able to throw to a spot and let the receiver catch it. 2 examples. Example 1: Tiki Barber catches a ball out of the backfield while running to the sidelines and then proceeding forward, then the ball catches him in stride. Carr delivers the ball at the point of the body where the back has to catch the ball while looking at David. Example 2: Rosenfels throws a ball high and ahead of Andre Johnson in the endzone on a slant play, Johnson has to adjust by leaping and stretching for the ball. Carr throws a ball at the numbers with more mustard on it, allowing the defender to get at it as much as AJ. Carr isn't using his players ability in those situations. Although he having a great passing percentage, the WR's are not called on to make plays if they are covered. There was one long bomb pass the Carr put up for Andre that the Receiver was actually called upon to get it, and guess what, it was a TD.
    • Line Awareness - Carr needs to move around the pocket better and step up in it while the DE's are swinging to the outside. I thought last game he did that well, but he chose the underneath stuff. If you are getting time by moving around in the pocket, then the deeper guys are going to be open more. We need more long plays that way.
    • Anger - Carr just flat out needs to fire up this offense vocally. He needs to have some bark in his voice and convey that to his teammates that he means business. It's his show, he needs to run it. If he's going to take all the heat then he'd better have a say so in it. He should have been all over Cook for that drive killing fumble that potentially could have won them the game.
    • TE play - Carr needs to find the TE more and not lock onto AJ so much. I'd rather AJ have over 100 yards on 4 catches than 10 catches for 90.
    • Run less - Carr should run less, but only on non-rollout type plays. Make him stay in the pocket and find the receiver, at times he looks to bail out to fast instead of buying time to find the receiver.
    • Call audibles - Allow Carr to call his audibles, he has proven to be very good at calling his own game.
    • Play fakes - Carr is not using the effective enough. I've seen several play-action-passes that are effective, but when there is a run, he just stands there and doesn't act like he still has the ball. DE's are being conditioned to look at our offense and stay in their area to expect a roll-out. Carr needs to act like he is still rolling out on run plays, maybe this will open up the end runs.
     
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    Pretty fair analysis, although I might quibble a bit on the details. I know I will get slammed for this, but I have been wanting to say this since Sunday, so here goes.

    If Sage had started the last two games start to finsh, this team would be 4-4, and we would be in the playoff hunt. With Carr, we are 2-6, and going nowhere. I have never seen a QB get 5 full years at one stop to prove himself. Name one other QB anywhere that has gotten 5 full years to prove he can just be a decent QB. Not even great, just decent. Name one that has had this much time with one team. I dare ya to try. Carr has proven he will never lead this particular team anywhere. Until Kubes can be honest with himself, and forget about his ego, this team is stuck in this hellish black hole we are in.
     
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    Well anyone who has watched the Texans for a while will tell you that DC doesn't have the best mechanics. I mentioned this a few months ago that DC seems to throw off of his backfoot a lot and his delivery is almost sidearmed. The ball tends to sail and it results in an incomplete pass or as an interception. Also when the rush is on DC will sometimes step right into the arms of the pass rusher instead of moving away. For example, when Sage was in during the Titans game he avoided the rush multiple time by moving outside or stepping up in the pocket and making a throw. DC has to learn that he's got to stand tall and deliver a strong pass. I know Kubiak and crew are working hard at this because it is a problem and it has been for too long of a time.
     
  19. real

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    Sure....he can just go to his local Library and pick up the book, Quaterbacking for Dummies.....
     
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