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Clowney VS Mercilus VS Frank Clark

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  1. Wolf12339

    Wolf12339 Veteran

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    I figured it would be interesting to see what Impact Each player involved in the trades has had.

    Overall Defensive Rating PFF Rankings
    1. Whitney mercilus
    2. J. J Watt
    3 Jacob Martin
    4. Jadeveon Clowney
    5. Frank Clark

    Overall Pressures
    1. Mercilus-8
    2. Watt-7
    3 Clowney-6
    4. Jacob Martin-3
    5. Frank Clark-1

    Run Defense Rating
    1. Jadeveon Clowney
    2. Whitney Mercilus
    3. J.J Watt
    4. Jacob Martin

    PRP-Sacks, Hits, Hurries relative to how many times they rush the passer.
    1.
    Breenan Scarlett -10.7%
    2. Jacob Martin-7.9%
    3. Whitney mercilus-7.7%
    4. Jadeveon Clowney-5.9
    5. J. J Watt-4.3%
    6. Frank Clark .9%


    Some Take aways here. The Frank Clark trade looks pretty rough the first 2 weeks for the Chiefs..
    -Jacob Martin looks like a very real find as a 3rd rusher.
    -Clowney is still very good against the RUN
    -Whitney mercilus has taken his game to another level
     
  2. mussop

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    What are the ratings????

    It’s really to small a sample size now but good idea. Will be interesting to see how this goes. I’m very happy with Mercilous as a pass rusher. Interested in his actual run defense rating because it seemed he had a hard time maintaining the edge against NO. Maybe I’m wrong. I thought Mercilus had lost his game. Good to see I was apparently wrong on that.
     
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    He's always played better on that side though. He's a really good pass rusher, useless in coverage.

    Whenever either Clowney was injured or moved to DL due to JJ being injured, Whitney always produced the goods.

    Now, it shouldnt be difficult to find someone who can do what Mercilus was asked to do last season to a higher standard either, and this is why the Clowney drop off wasnt worth the drama of a holdout.
     
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    Not to disagree - Mercilus has been very good so far and all but made us forget who Clowney was … as far as pass rushing.

    One thing to note , Mercilus is in the final year of his deal and he's gonna want a BIG contract if he keeps this up. Even if its not a "Huge" deal , he's due a substantial raise from $5,750,000.

    We could potentially be right back in the same contract impasse situation.
     
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  5. eriadoc

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    I'd rather have Mercilus for $10M than Clowney for $20M.
     
  6. TheKDog

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    Maybe but this year clowney cost $15m and we are paying half his salary to play for Seattle


    Mercilus is playing well, but as far as I can tell he isn't drawing double teams like watt and clowney do
     
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    We weren't stopping QBs when we had Watt and Clowney drawing those double teams so why would you want Watt and Mercilus to draw double teams? Let him learn to beat someone 1v1 and hammer the QB.
     
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  8. TheKDog

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    I think the defense and pass rush will be much worse without clowney this year, but it's early. We know the run defense will be worse
     
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    Mercilus keeps this up and he will be commanding much more then 10 M per year.
     
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    Run defense worse? Really?
    You did watch the Texans defense stop an elite running back in Leonard Fournette on Sunday didn't you? Actually, Mercilus is very good at sealing the edge, Reader is a wall in the middle, no one gets by Watt and Mckinney and Cunningham are definite hole plugs in the middle. Fournette had no place to run and, you did see Reid stop him on the goal line on the 2 point attempt at the end of the game didn't you?
    I'd say the Texans run defense is actually pretty darn good.
     




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  11. TheKDog

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    Fournette is not elite and I'm not sure he's even good. He averaged 3.3 yards per carry last year. The guy looks like he's running in mud.

    The saints backs averaged over 7 yards against the Texans.

    I don't know that the Texans run defense will be bad, but it will be worse without arguably the best run defender in the game
     
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    who is the worst run defender in the league? Are you saying that is Whitney?? Maybe when they put in their new toy in Martin, but Mercilus? Dude is nowhere near worst run defender
     
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    I meant to say clowney is the best defender in the league. Editing.

    Mercilus is not a bad run defender but Martin is
     
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    Looks like CB and edge are going to be needs this offseason.
     
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    CB, EDGE, RB will be the Top 3 needs.
     
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    JJ looks like he's playing a more disciplined role this season also. Its one to keep an eye on.

    You go from having 2 freelancers and a 3rd piece playing a role against his strengths, to a group of 7 doing the job they are best suited to.

    You wont catch me downplaying JDC's ability anywhere, but the D doesnt need to be far worse because we lost him.

    There is big improvement to come from the secondary also. Justin Reid is learning how to captain that unit, something he didnt do in his rookie season, and apart from him and Joseph, everybody is new.

    Its the playcalling that is lacking. I do agree with SteelB above, the ability for this team to fill holes through the draft scares me, something we could be chasing for 5 years.
     
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    They have enough picks in rds 2-3 to fill those holes. They can even use the extra picks to trade up if need be.

    I actually hope they trade one of the 3rds for a 2021 2nd. Depending on who's there when they're picking.
     
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    Run defense has been fine without Clowney...so far. The saints averaged what they averaged basically b/c of 2 plays by Murray and Kamara...both of which were more about bad tackling than the actual ability of those defending the run. Those 2 plays in particular we were also gashed on last year with the supposed best run defender in the league b/c they are designed to take advantage of the edge guy getting up the field.
     
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    Fornette is a bust. Did you watch Kamara?
     
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    Fournette is trash...lol
     

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