Clowney trade discussion

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  1. badboy

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    Due to the college draft aspect of this I am beginning thread in this forum. As posted in other areas, I think if JD continues his play he could get a third consecutive pro bowl nod. I understand the health concerns but he has played two seasons missing only game two vs Tennessee this year. I am okay with an extension with up front loaded deal but tagging and trading is my preference. My position is we need lots of help other positions and IMO Duke Ejiofor is the real deal. He should be 100 percent 2019 from labrum surgery February 2018 and his hammy should be resolved. I would draft a strong backup but with that person having more of a DE skill set who could also play OLB. Many are going to be willing to settle for less but we can afford to play hard ball because we do not have to trade him. Although this is a deep draft for edge rushers none are guaranteed to be three year pro bowlers at age 25. Oakland is my first target and want to add a surprising comment I hear on radio today. It was that Oakland should look to trade Derek Carr and I went "What?!" Continued that his deal was expensive but very tradeable in a QB starved league. Per OTC while his cap for 2019 is $22.5 million his cap savings for Raiders would be $15 million with dead of $7.5 million. He is under contract through 2022 when he is 31 YOA. He should bring a draft haul. Teams with need at this position include NY Giants, Jags, Bucs and Denver and first three should be top ten with Denver poss top 15. Dolphins, Washington and of course Patriots will be in that discussion again. IMO college QBs in first round or limited to top 5-10 pick Herbert and later if at all first round Grier. There could be feeding frenzy for Herbert and even more so for Derek Carr. Let's go with this for a few minutes: Oakland trades him for any of the following (as of today's ranking by Dan Parr of NFL.com):

    1. NYG #5 and # 37
    2. Jags #6 and #38
    3. Bucs #7 and 39
    and this is just for starters. Raiders could use their own current #2 for Herbert and get a very good edge with any of 5,6 or 7 possibly Bosa, my guy Zach Allen or go Ed Oliver here and Allen at their own 13-15 pick from Dallas.

    Now tie in Clowney for Oaklands # 13-15 or their Bears pick at apprx #25 + Oakland's #34.

    Oakland goes #2 QB Herbert #5 (NYG) Bosa or Oliver #15 Zach Allen or if no Bosa a WR.
    For #25 they get three year pro bowler (imo) Clowney to replace Khalil Mack and Gruden needs to get egg off his face on that trade and JD is a start with Bosa and Oliver or Allen he would be on his way. *Even without trading Carr, Oakland should be a strong trade partner for Clowney for reasons stated. I would like #13-15 Dallas pick but would also like later first (Bears) and #34ish.
     
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    Some may think if Oakland drafted Bosa it wouldn't need Clowney but I disagree. Both on line especially if they also got Oliver would be amazing plus Bosa coming off his five year rookie deal would be great timing if Clowney needs to go and if he makes it five more.
     
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    If Clowney is tagged wouldn't teams be required to give up two #1's to sign him? I don't see that happening
     
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    Very much doubt JD would be traded and would not favor it without very serious compensation.
     
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    My understanding a trade can be agreed to similar to deal for Schaub we ended up agreeing to pay two seconds.
     
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    You don't think a top 15 or a late first and top three in second round is serious? If Herbert gone as most predict, we could turn #15 into a very lucrative trade down as so many QB hungry teams with low supply this draft.
     
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    Schaub wasn't tagged
     
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    Pretty sure there was something if not a tag as IIRC team was arguing for a first round. If I get time I will try to research.
     
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    Can’t see it happening.

    It was reported that the Rams contacted the team about him before they contacted the Jags about Fowler and the Texans said they weren’t interested in moving him.
     
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    That could easily change this off season as teams look at their record and how a [possible] three season pro bowler could advance them in 2019 bringing much greater offer packages. Also, say Texans go out first or second level of playoffs and get mid first round pick for him. That's a pretty much 100% starter or a pick that can be traded down bringing even more picks to prepare for 2019. Adding another later round first and a second and maybe another pick to add to four selections in top 96 totaling six in first three rounds would be hard to ignore.
     


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    True, they could change their mind if the report is accurate. And my interpretation could be wrong.

    I just don’t personally see it happening because he is such a big part of what the Texans do in defense.

    I don’t see the benefit of getting rid of a guy in his prime that is already one of the best at what he does to take a gamble on a draft pick.

    ....unless they think he’s a ticking time bomb injury wise.
     
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    Agree.
    You also need a couple of quality dudes just in case one goes down with an injury and with both guys having injury histories, it would seem wise to wait out the season at least.
     
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    Isn't this upcoming draft supposed to be loaded with quality D-linemen?
    Why would a team give up quality picks and pay the premium salary when they could fill that need in the draft?
    I don't see who their trading partner will be
    What team do you see as one edge rusher away from being a SB contender?
     
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    He's a proven talent. Many teams find themselves in this situation, do you pay the player and possibly hurt the team cap position or trade him and look to the draft. Clowney would be on the list for several teams if he were made available.
     
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    Trading him at the deadline was the time to get the most value.
     
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    That could easily change this off season as teams look at their record and how a [possible] three season pro bowler could advance them in 2019 bringing much greater offer packages. Also, say Texans go out first or second level of playoffs and get mid first round pick for him. That's a pretty much 100% starter or a pick that can be traded down bringing even more picks to prepare for 2019. Adding another later round first and a second and maybe another pick to add to four selections in top 96 totaling six in first three rounds would be hard to ignore.
    Hey guys I definitely get your posts. I am truly surprised he has performed as he has and same for Watt. Cannot ignore Clowney has had issues with his health this season; not sure if the groin was sole reason he got no sacks in four games but he got no tackles vs Denver except for the sack. Let's not overlook this. I am hoping another team does.
     
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    Look at Oakland's roster--even if they were able to draft Bosa, Clowney would definitely help that team. They could use another of their first round selections for a defensive front seven guy.
     
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    Oakland (or Vegas if you prefer) already had a guy as good as Clowney with no health issues. And they let him go. I don't see them being in the mkt for Clowney.
    Now if you had said the Saints.....
     
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    Then why does every mock have Oakland taking Bosa?
     
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    because they need a pass rush, but Davis doesn't have the money to pay a top flight one. It is one of the biggest reasons people speculated they let Mack go. Davis is already on the lower in money wise for an NFL owner, he has a lot of money tied up in Vegas right now, and when you sign a player to a contract you have to put all the guarantees plus a certain percentage of the overall value(I think) in escrow.

    I don't see the Texans trading Clowney at all, but if they do it would be for multiple high picks. Just doesn't seem like a smart thing for a team to trade Mack for 2 1sts, and then give that right back, or a pretty big chunk of it value wise for Clowney.
     

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