Climb Aboard the Dream Weaver Train

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  1. Wolf

    Wolf 100% Texan

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  2. Hardcore Texan

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    Why the big dropoff last seaon in Demps from the season prior? He was a pro bowl alternate and making a lot of nice stops with some hard hitting. He just didn't seem to see the field that much last year.

    I think the NFL and the Player's union needs to get a new CBA in place, it's in their best interest. If the economy continues down the pisser a LOT of folks will stop spending money on football including sponsors. Stop paying rookies that have never seen the field so damn much and give it to the veterans that have stuck around and earned their keep.
     
  3. DiehardChris

    DiehardChris You betcha!

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    My thoughts from a few days ago.

    They knew Morlon was making WAY too much money to come back. I think they're just waiting on the draft's effect on the DE position.

    Demps will be gone. I think they kept him because they think they might be able to get a 6th or 7th for him. Weaver is untradeable. Demps' contract isn't so ridiculous that a team might give a (very) late pick for him.

    I mean - nobody WILL give us a pick for him, but I think the Texans figure they have nothing to lose by trying. Not to compare the situations - but kind of like the Falcons trying to trade Mike Vick. They know nobody's stupid enough - but they lose nothing by putting it out there.
     
  4. DiehardChris

    DiehardChris You betcha!

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    He started gambling and losing in pass coverage. Then when he stopped gambling - his pass coverage just plain sucked. He was SO BAD that he wasn't even active for a few games.
     
  5. Hervoyel

    Hervoyel The Right Track

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    I think that Weaver and Demps, Green and Greenwood are all totally different problems and require different answers. It's no coincidence that both of them are defenders and that we're making big changes on that side of the ball.

    Greenwood was an obvious cut because he's an enormous liability when he's on the field. His salary was too high but more significant than that is the fact that he might just be the worst linebacker on our roster. He was going to go even if his contract had been for the veteran minimum.

    Green was also an obvious cut because he cannot stay healthy and on the field. Add to that the fact that Slaton emerged and Moats backed him up adequately and there's no set of circumstances by which Ahman Green can be on this team next season.

    With Demps however you have a guy who played well for us in 2007, less effectively in 2008, and who makes "not crazy" money so... with a new defensive backs coach and a new philosophy I think Demps makes it to training camp while the new coaches evaluate him and determine whether they can use him. It might just be temporary but it makes sense to me.

    The same thing is partially true with Weaver. He's been asked to do one thing for three years in Richard Smith's defense and failed miserably at it. He's expensive to cut and that's a big part of it but I also think that most of the guys on defense who did not excel in the old scheme will get evaluated and that some of them will get a shot to perform in Frank Bush's defense if he thinks they were not used to properly. Weaver might be one of these. I think he at least makes it to camp.
     
  6. ChampionTexan

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    I actually believe this is pretty simple and straight-forward. When you look at the year-end depth chart, factor in expiring contracts, and consider the fact that free agency and the draft haven't yet taken place, Demps and Weaver are starters, and Green and Greenwood are not.

    Once we re-sign, sign, or draft players who the coaches believe will be starters at their positions, I think there's a very good chance they'll both be gone shortly thereafter. I suppose it's possible that they could stick around as depth, but Weaver's salary will probably preclude that, and the fact that Demps lost his starting job to a guy signed in September, and was inactive for most of the games late in the year when the defense played it's best doesn't work in his favor.
     
  7. V3rm0nt3r

    V3rm0nt3r All Pro

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    that is what i was thinking.

    with no clear 1st round safety yet and no consensus number one 4-3 DE in the draft why not wait and see who either emerges in the draft or who you can pick up in free agency. one more question. can Smith try to re structure Demps' contract for depth or is that a no no?
     
  8. beerlover

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    Weaver seemed much improved @ the end of last season (was finally healthy & fully recovered from shoulder surgery) + provides veteren leadership & moral fiber (sounds cool). Anthony is a good guy representing the class this organization prides itself in. I wouldn't take that dead money hit going into his contract year instead at least let him play it out (Bush may have different plans for him).
     


  9. barrett

    barrett Hall of Fame

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    i think it's as simple as letting guys who contributed stick around and compete. we're not in a position where we need to clear cap space.
     
  10. PHAROAH

    PHAROAH All Pro

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    Cut Demps and move on and maybewe move Weaver inside as a pass rusher on 3rd downs as a specialists because he isn't quick enough off the edge. $1.85 million of savings to release demps makes since to spend that money on another player who can bring something to the table.
     
  11. dalemurphy

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    There really isn't any point in cutting Demps until there's a replacement for him. We have over 20 roster spots to fill right now so I think some prudence makes sense right now.
     
  12. V3rm0nt3r

    V3rm0nt3r All Pro

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    the expectation is that at least one safety will be brought in during the draft. from early or late is anybody's speculation but one should be taken.

    saying that i agree with you that we shouldn't just cut him for the sake of cutting him but rather wait and maybe let him compete in TC. the guy WAS after all a pro bowl alternate 1 year ago.
     
  13. Lucky

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    The only thing Weaver specializes in is dropping his big fat game check into his bank's depository. He's been tried as an inside rusher in passing situations and, like everything else, he's failed miserably.

    Really? Much improved? I thought the defense improved the less Weaver saw the field. And even had he improved (which is very debatable), a few good games shouldn't trump 2 1/2 years of suckitude. It didn't for Richard Smith.

    From the Keith's article, linked above:

    It's not that puzzling. Weaver won't get anywhere near on the free agent market the $3.5 million he's due on his current contract. Weaver could gt a big chunk of that if he were to trip on a blade of grass and wind up on IR. The Texans would be fools to let Weaver participate in OTAs or mini camps, much less training camp.
     
  14. Maddict5

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    another ND homer :rolleyes:... stop trying to gloss it over
















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  15. beerlover

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    Yeah, really, about last half of season three starting in Minnesota. the timing of Weaver signing to Houston was doomed from inception, the Texans where changing scheme & coaches then used the #1 overall pick on the same position he played. sucks to be him I guess so he had to kick inside. obviously thats not his bag, he is more of a coverage end who is solid in run support but has very limited pass rushing skill. It would be nice if everyones game was well rounded but now I'm convinced this staff know him & how best to utilize his talents. this is why the Texans are after a speed rushing speicialist it doesn't mean Weaver is a waste or does not fit into Bush system going forward. bottom line he has more value on this team than off it combined with negating affects of dead money. :texflag:
     
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    Well let's get rid of Weaver then and let's stop wasting time I would like to dump Demps too this is taking cap space that we can use on someone for the future instead of waiting.
     
  17. Lucky

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    A coverage end? Is there such a position? Should there be such a position?

    I dispute the assertion that Weaver is "solid" versus the run. I don't think any d-lineman on the team can be considered solid in that department. Mario has his moments, but he gets caught jumping inside, playing too tall, or blindly running upfield. Weaver's problem is that he just gets blown off the the LOS.

    Mario can be coached up. Weaver is just not good enough. At anything other than being a "coverage end". Whatever that is.
     
  18. V3rm0nt3r

    V3rm0nt3r All Pro

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    here's a name that hasn't come up yet.

    Andre Davis- 2008- 13 receptions- 213 yds.

    2.1 million base salary
    900 k bonus

    http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap.html

    that's $230,769.23 a catch or $14,084.51 a yd.
     
  19. infantrycak

    infantrycak Mod. Staff Member

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    Which ignores his kick returns.
     
  20. V3rm0nt3r

    V3rm0nt3r All Pro

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    so sorry.

    23.09 yards a return. no touchdowns. a long of 50. WOW! don't get me wrong, they aren't bad stats but are they really worth 3 million dollars?
     

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