Chronicle: "We can't run, and we can't stop the run"

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  1. Marcus

    Marcus Ruthless pragmatist

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    Today's article in the Houston Chronicle should bring a few of us back to earth.

    There's no other way to put this. They lucked out winning that game. They lucked out in so many ways, it's not funny. From not stopping the run, to not being able to run, to Jacoby's muffed punt, to Collins coughing it up in the end. Like they say, it's better to be lucky than good.

    But if they can't run, or stop the run against the Jags or the Raiders, do you really think we'll continue to get that lucky?

    I actually think stopping the run will be less and less of an issue as more games are played. There are talented people on defense, but they haven't played that much together as a unit. Once everyone figures out where they are supposed to be consistently on every play, the problem should resolve itself.

    Offensively, that is another story. This is the same unit that played together all of last year. I'm not sure what Steve Slaton's problem is, but it's to the point where I don't care. He's running behind the same line as he was last year. But whatever, I hope Kubiak moves on with this and gives the ball to Moats. He ran the ball better than Slaton in preseason. I think it's time Moats gets some carries, if anything to narrow down where the problem really is . . . Slaton or the O-line.
     
  2. Norg

    Norg Hall of Fame

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    umm not alot of people can run on the jets and Titans ... calm down Kubes :shades: everyone wants to run the ball yes lets eork on that but intill then everyone knows our Team main skill point is throwing the ball if u wanted to run the ball kubes u should have singed a pricey F/A Running back or drafting a high pick RB
     
  3. Texans#1Fan

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    Yeah, but slaton needs to get more yardage especially after last years performance. Also, the Defense needs to step up and get going or we are going to be the worst team in the NFL.
     
  4. Marcus

    Marcus Ruthless pragmatist

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    How does that explain why Slaton could run the ball well last year, and not now?
     
  5. Norg

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    last year it took intill wk 3 for slaton to emerge

    he had nothing the pitts game avid that was his first NFL game

    and wk 2 he was running from Ike that didnt count

    in wk 3 he did run for 116 yds agansit the titans yeah odd he couldnt do that agian this year
     
  6. BrandonLwowski

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    I kinda disagree on the fact that we can't stop the run. I think in the last two games we did a pretty good job stoping the run. Lets look at the jets game. the score was 10-0 at half. Jets really couldnt get there run game started. Then they bust out the big 30 yard run for a td. And the titians game they ran a little more but if u take away the 50 and 90 yard run Johnson didnt run that good. i think the major problem is stopping the big plays. with ryans, cushing, mario and are tough dline i think we will be fine in stopping the run in future games.
     
  7. BSofA04

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    FWIW, we have gone against two of the best teams that run the ball well and stop the run. We should seem some improvement in both departments these next few weeks.
     
  8. Runner

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    We have an interesting contrast in perspectives.

    I think that the Texans will get it together and run the ball well this year, precisely because it us the same unit that ran well last year. I also credit the defenses they've faced for taking away the running game.

    I think the defense will have problems all year because of their play last year and the very bad performances this year.

    We will know more in a few games.
     


  9. Hardcore Texan

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  10. nero THE zero

    nero THE zero Hall of Fame

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    I tend to side more with AJ's perspective on our defensive woes:
    http://www.examiner.com/x-778-Houst...three-touchdowns--Part-III?cid=examiner-email
    Our defense seems to be a Jekyll and Hyde defense that stops you on negative plays and backs you up on third and longs, and then gives it up to you on that third and long.

    It's not to say that the defense will definitely turn it around, but it can be as encouraging as it is discouraging.
     
  11. DexmanC

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    Most of the Titans' yardage came on draws and screens ON 3RD DOWNS.
    We solve the third down problem the defense will be stout. Tennessee
    did a good job of recognizing when Connor Barwin is in the game, the
    defense is thinking PASS.

    You take an aggressive pass rush, plus the fastest man in the NFL, give
    him a draw or screen, that equals a big cup of GOOD BYE.

    I have faith they'll get this shit fixed. Hell, Cushing started sniffing it
    out when they realized he CAN play three downs. Between Cushing,
    Demeco, and Diles, you got three SMART, talented run stoppers.

    They'll get it fixed. The fact they could screw up as much as they did,
    and still win ON THE ROAD speaks volumes about the direction this
    team is headed in. I expect them to spank the Jags, due to the
    lesson they've learned from the Raiders game last year. They'd better
    be looking for draws and screens on all these third and longs they're
    forcing.

    Their run defense stats are out of whack, because most of the yardage
    is coming on third and LONG. That's just stupid mental mistakes, not
    so much the scheme, that's killing the squad. Fix that shit, we win
    10-12 games.
     
  12. HoustonFrog

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    Those long runs still count though. Sorry but I hate when people discount long runs against the stats and say the defense was good besides them. The fact is there are serious breakdowns when people break runs so they are just as disconcerting to me overall. That would be like Titan fan saying if they had called the two late hits out of bounds, given us the fumble and Kerry hadn't fumbled we would have won by 21 points.
     
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  13. Maddict5

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    im not overly concerned with either problem given who we've faced so far this season & given that slatons big games last year v the titans were the result of greatness on his part- getting away from 2 or 3 guys. somehow staying up after being tripped etc

    defensively we can stop the run. id guess we've had more TFL's & no gains so far this season than we had in over 8 games last season when we couldnt stop the run. its just those two monster plays we give up a game due to young guys making mistakes & being in the wrong position. hopefully that should stop as they get more experience

    i think those stats are partly down to who we've played so far but i like what kubiak is doing- giving each unit something to keep them focused where they might otherwise nod off against a jags team that doesnt look up to much this year
     
  14. BigBull17

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    I think the Titans were lucky they didn't lose by 20. We outplayed them, most of the game.
     
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    My budy and I looked it up, Demeco is on pace to have more TFL this year than his whole career. That's a big difference.
     
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    Well, I think the general idea is that, when viewing trends and patterns, it is more encouraging to have a defense that can stop the run for no or negative gains on most plays and give up a big run once every 10 plays than to have a defense who gets constantly gashed for 4 or 5 yards.

    The idea is that, this early in the season, you might have the time and the capability to eventually stop that 10th play that goes big for no yards like you do the previous nine plays, whereas there is no glimmer of hope for a defense that is constantly giving up 4-5 yards.

    Though, obviously the defense has to make that improvement at some point or it's no better.
     
  17. HoustonFrog

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    Disagree. On 2 Titan drives getting near midfield the Texans got away with 2 blatant shots out of bounds. The Jacoby fumble, etc. I'm not sure how you can say that when a defense leaves a guy wide open sitting by the sidelines. Not complaining, just saying.
     
  18. HOU-TEX

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    I agree. Heck, people were saying how Slaton was the only RB that successfully ran on the titans last season. Well, if you take away the 50 yarder he had in Tenn he would've only had 66 yards. Take away the 34 yarder in the game we won he would've had 66 yards. So it goes both ways.
     
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    Other than the three long plays, the Titans never moved the ball. How can you NOT say we dominated that game? I don't discount long runs, but I know for sure that our D played better than the yards they gave up. The Titans couldn't sustain anything on offense. They burned us on three long plays, missed assignments by young players. We did not get lucky and fall into a win, IMO.
     
  20. Hookem Horns

    Hookem Horns That Server Guy Staff Member

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    It would have been nice if the Texans would have signed Cedric Benson when they had the chance. The guy had another great game yesterday up in Green Bay. You can't have enough depth at RB. The Giants have proven that to me with all the backs they are rotating out there.
     
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