Capers rediscovers success that eluded him in Houston

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  1. beerlover

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    I am expecting those results also.
     
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    lol @ this thread...seriously

    he is successful in GB because he doesnt control the offense.

    Its not run run pass or first down hit the ground

    I dont give the qb ruiner much credit for doing his job with above avg players.
     
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    maybe I should have used a different title "Wade discovers success that eluded him in Dallas?"

    or maybe its just too painful for some to stomach :toropalm:
     
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    It took him a while tho didnt GB have that 2 year record of 7-9 and then 8-8 post farve ???

    I hope it does not take wade 2 years to get this D turned around which it prob will
     
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    The Packers defensive success following the switch to 3-4 is an extraordinary thing that really doesn't happen. The Chiefs this year took a big step forward defensively when they made the switch to 3-4. I'm not expecting a Packer-like turnaround, but I'm expecting one on par with the Chiefs.
     
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    Talking about Capers right? Last year was his first year on the job. Packers were 11-5 last year, 10-6 this year. Not sure how accurate this is but according to wiki: Green Bay's defensive ranking in his first year improved to second in the league in 2009, from 21st in the league in 2008. In spite of being decimated by injuries in the 2010 season, Capers' defense got even better. The defensive unit ranked 2nd in Scoring Defense, 5th in Total Defense, 2nd in Interceptions, 2nd in Sacks, and 1st in Opposing Quarterback Passer Rating.

     
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    Two years? Wow, this league moves fast.
     


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    This only proves that the Packers aren't built for the long haul. It takes six years (at least) to build a winning team. Ask any of the experts on Kirby.
     
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    Not that I want to take anything away from Capers & the Packers. They've done an amazing job, & I'd love to have that defense here in Houston.

    But... who are they playing? In 2010, they had the 22nd toughest schedule in the league (.488 (we have never played a below .500 schedule in the last 5 years.)). In 2009, they had the 30th toughest schedule (.428). In 2008, they had the 12th toughest schedule (.531)

    I understand you play the schedule you're given, & you do what you do. But there are so many things that go into the success/failure of a coach, outside his control.

    Like I said, give credit where credit is due.. he took a weak schedule (something we've never had) and dominated. Plain & simple. But the jump from the 2008 Packers defense to the 2009/2010 wasn't all Dom Capers.

    As an aside.... for a little perspective. Capers first year with the Packers, was 2009. From 2002-2008, the Packers defense averaged 17 in the league. As stated before, in 2009, they were 2nd in the league.

    Frank Bush's first year as D Coordinator was also 2009. The Texans defense averaged 22nd from 2002-2008. In 2009, they were 13th. If you factor in S.O.S. that is a pretty similar jump.

    In 2010, both schedules got tougher. The Packers fell to 5th on defense. The Texans fell to 30. Both teams had injuries to deal with. Both teams had young players in crucial roles..... one team handled it better than the other.
     
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    Meh, apples to oranges.

    Dom Capers as the Texans HC pretty much let Fangio do his thing and remained somewhat hands-off. Second, The Texans defense for the first couple of years wasn't complete full-on garbage. They had some players (Sharper, Glenn, Coleman, Wong, Walker and Posey). Their numbers were middle of the pack, but that relates to that garbage they called an offense who was constantly going 3 and out and/or also putting them in bad position on the field.

    That said, I also kind of agree with TK about the Packers schedule. It's wasn't a world beater schedule that they played.

    Although props for holding Vick in check two weeks ago.
     
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    With our current offense, we would be a pretty darn good team if we had that 2002 defense.
     
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    "Strength of schedule" is so completely overrated unless your team is in the NFC east.

    Capers has the benefit of being on a team with a solid HC, something NONE of our DCs - including Wade - have not had the luxury of enjoying in the past 9 seasons.
     
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    You mean there's not that much difference between .488 and .500?

    I largely agree. The Jets got rolled by the Pats to the tune of like 45-3 IIRC. Then the Jets come back and essentially roll the Pats in the playoffs.

    You know who is hurt by "Strength of Schedule"? Poor teams who suck. Because the good teams find a way to win no matter what. They at least know how to win when it counts the most (i.e. the Jets).

    I have a feeling the Jets are going to win the Super Bowl. Much like Bettis finally got his ring, I think LT gets his this year. You don't make the AFC Title Game two years in a row, with a rookie QB and then a sophomore year QB, only to go home empty-handed. I think they beat the Steelers (the Ravens had them on the ropes and let them back into it). I think they win the SB. And everyone will have to chew on that for a long time.

    The Jets winning the Super Bowl will be the nail in the coffin of the theory that you have to avoid "trauma" of major change. There's not a team still in the playoffs that represents traumatic, major change like the Jets do. They canned Mangini, got rid of Favre, hired a first-time HC, started a rookie QB right out of the gate, and made traumatic moves in free agency. And, what a shocker! It paid off. All of this in the midst of sexual misconduct situations with Favre when was QB there, the situation with a shock jock female reporter who was supposedly harrassed, and now with Mr. Toe Licker whore-out-my-wife and his sideline special teams trickery. All proof that you can win in spite of multiple traumatic situations.

    We're a Hee-Haw skit.

    [​IMG]
     
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    QFT! :bravo:

    Good post, man. I quoted this specific part because "strength of schedule" seems to be the excuse for losing teams. We hear it year after year with the Texans, but that's life in the NFL.
     
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    Just out of curiosity, have you ever heard this from the Texans, or just from us blinded by the homer lights fans?
     
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    Nah, just Texans Nation and the related media outlets.

    The Texans are far to savvy to put any type of 'excuse' in advertisement. Most teams will not mention strength of schedule, though, and probably because winning teams don't need excuses and it's a tough term to put a happy, shiny spin on for losing teams.
     
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    FYI, the Texans haven't had a .500 schedule either, not in the last 5 years.

    The difference between a .488 schedule & a .506 is 2 games against teams that don't suck. .488, that's like playing the NFC West all year long.

    Offensively, look at where the teams they played are at.... bottom of the league. I understand they had something to do with that, but not 16 weeks of it.

    They've got some good wins, Chicago (the division winner) the Giants, the Jets (goose egg) so it's not like I'm saying they are truly worthless.

    Like I said, they took a weak schedule, & dominated. Had they been middle of the road against that schedule, that would say something totally different about that team.

    Like the Cardinals & Panthers. Two of the easiest schedules in the league & they couldn't buy a win.

    Sort of. Indianapolis with a sub 500 schedule will win 13-16 games (when they're healthy). Playing a winning schedule, they'll probably win 10-12.

    I'm also not trying to use S.O.S. as a crutch, or an excuse. Just saying.
     
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    While I don't buy McNair's trauma argument, I think yours is just as off base.

    It's just like building a house, you have to have a good foundation before you can start mucking with the pieces, or it will all fall apart.

    The problem with that argument though, is after going 8-8, 8-8, then 9-7 against winning schedules (>.500) you would think that foundation was there... that it was solid.

    Julius Peppers, Kyle VandenBosh, & Andrew Kampan would have made a big difference on this defense.

    I'd have preferred a DT, but none of the top free agent DTs moved. so I'm not going to go there.

    None of the safeties moved, none of the CBs moved....

    So I'm not really sure what anyone is/was expecting there.
     
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    One more thing about the Jets.

    At the end of the 2009 season, I held the belief, that we were the same team. Both had 9-7 records. They had the best rushing attack & the best defense, we had the best offense (& in my mind at that time, run defense).

    I thought their previous year's 9-7 record, our 8-8.. put us in practically the same tier (if you believe in the tiering system).

    I was wrong. Their ability to beat winning teams (this year) is something we don't have.

    This year, we even lost to bad teams. The Cowboys, the Giants (at that time), the Broncos, the Chargers....

    I'm questioning Kubiak's ability to lead this team farther, just like the rest of you. But if we get swept by any of our division rivals in 2011, I'll be questioning McNair's ability to lead (like some of you are now).
     

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