Discussion in 'College Football & the NFL Draft' started by Wolf, Apr 18, 2010.
Just for fun, I'll say whether I think the risk is worth it with these guys.
QB Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame: No
QB Tim Tebow, Florida: YES.
RB Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech: Yes
TE Jimmy Graham, Miami: Yes.
WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State: Yes, any friend of Deon is a friend of mine.
OT Bruce Campbell, Maryland: NO, or NO WAY JOSE!
DE Jason Pierre-Paul, South Florida: Yes
DE Carlos Dunlap, Florida: Yes
DB Patrick Robinson, Florida State: Yes
S Taylor Mays, USC: Yes
I don't care what they say...if we don't take Dan Williams or Mike Iuapti in the first I would take Taylor Mays just because of the size and physical style of play. Lets just let Brain Cushing make the call if those Williams and Iuapti are gone by the time we pick.
Cush is a big fan of Mays... that is part of what makes me like him as a prospect.
Yeah well If we're trading Adibi and moving Mays to a chase will backer, I'm on board with that. If Mays is cruising our back four Manning will take him and his slow hips to school. And it will not be pretty.
I hope that nobody lets their man love for Cush get in the way of rating prospects. Cush isn't a GM.
I dont see the risk in Clausen. He comes from a pro style offense and had an amazing year playing through a toe injury and has the swagger of a winner.
The whole attitude problem rep he gets is such BS. He shouldnt be on that list IMO.
The rest i agree with.
This is basically just someone saying who he thinks is "overvalued" according to some of the other experts. If Mays is drafted in round 2 and Dwyer in round 3, is that riskier than if someone drafts Dez Bryant with the second overall pick?
How risky is it to draft Tebow late in the second and groom him as a backup QB, a short yardage back, and/or an H-back?
If you watched the Gruden QB school on ESPN, it's pretty clear this guy could be the next Jeff George. He wasn't accountable for anything. He blamed WRs for interceptions, coaches for delays of game... it was pretty amazing to see the difference in attitude between him and Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow.
By the way, Bradford doesn't exactly inspire you listenning to him either.
Just going off of what i see in his games Clausen is no Jeff George. George had a rocket launcher for an arm and a peanut for a brain.
Clausen has a great feel for the game and great intangibles.
If any QB should be on that list it's Bradford.
Spread offense QBs get criticized every year but Bradford has gotten very little flack for it.
The guy had a great team around him his first 2 years and the first year without a great O-line he goes down.
Bradford is the guy i would be worried about not Clausen.
Pat Kirwain was saying that he's not sold on Bradford.
QB's with the physical ability and pro-preparedness of a Clausen don't come around very often, i don't think it's a "risk" at all to draft him. this is where the overthinking with drafting players comes into play. look at the tape, look at the measurables, look at all of it, clearly Clausen is heads and shoulders above the rest of the QB prospects this year. he's cocky; Aaron Rodgers was the same guy coming out of college. people look too much into a guy being a bit douchey than they do a guy being completely laid back and lazy. the latter comes off better in interviews, but that's because of what we as football fans have decided what we feel a QB should be like, on and off the field, whereas all that really matters is how good they are and how good they want to be.
draft him, build the franchise around him.
This will probably surprise you but, some of the "can't miss" prospects probably will and some 3rd-4th rounder will be in the Pro Bowl every year for the next decade. It is the nature of the draft. The trick is how well you detect which is which.
IMO the biggest risk/reward prospect is Taylor Mays. In the right scheme he can flourish, but if a team thinks he can hold the centerfield without any scheming to disguise his weaknesses he will flop.
If the right coach gets Mays he can be a heck of a player in the NFL.
Bradford's ceiling is higher than Clausens'. But his floor is also lower.
I think they have the wrong guy on the list. Clausen is more NFL ready. Yeah, he is a douche but the talent and the brain are there. And he looks like he will put in the work.
anybody care to guess where cush went to school?
of course he likes mays they're both trojans!!
he's just an easy guy to hate. i mean, a real cocky dude with spiked hair from Notre Dame? it's almost like he wants everyone to despise him.
I have to agree here. If my buddy was applying for a job where I work, of course I am going to back him, unless he is a really really bad worker.
Cushing said that Mays was a real hard worker, and could chase down anybody. But the knock on him is that he can cover very well which is big for a safety in the NFL.
I am not saying I would hate drafting the guy. His size/speed is off the chart. And who knows what some good coaching will do.
I know what you mean. Personally, I can't stand him. But to deny somebody's talent just because you don't like them isn't really a sound strategy if you are trying to build a football team.
If it were his former teammates saying things about him then I would be singing a different tune. But it's not. It's people from the outside looking in.
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