Discussion in 'College Football & the NFL Draft' started by Johnny Utah, Apr 20, 2006.
yes, the first round of their negotiating talks. you don't give the lowest amount of money you want at first, do ya?
It is just like buying a car. Do you take the first price they throw at you? They sure as hell aren't going to lowball themselves.
"But there are about 30 million reasons why that scenario just might play itself out April 29.
That's the figure, in dollars, Bush's negotiating team apparently threw out in their only round of "contract talks" with the Texans, according to word circulating throughout the draft grapevine the past week or so. "
"according to word circulating throughout the draft grapevine"
I dunno....but that doesn't exactly sound like a hard and fast source to me.
The author of this story may have got his training at "The Dan Rather school of Creative Journalism".
Ehh, i'm not worried. Nothing here worth getting worried about.
This should be expected from anyone taken #1. Alex Smith's contract had $24 mil in guaranteed money. Just a 10% increase (and the cap increase was more than 10%) gets you to $26.4 mil. $30 as an opener isn't shocking.
Theres a slight difference between throwing a number out there, and being absurd. I'm not quite sure where that line is, but knowing Alex Smith's guaranteed money would be nice. That would give comparison. If A.Smith got like $15-20 million guaranteed then I'd laugh at Bush and say see you in the playoffs.
Here's the story on Alex Smith's contract:
"Smith will receive $24 million in guaranteed money, which includes his bonus. Smith's average annual salary of $8.25 million tops the $7.5 million average the Giants gave to quarterback Eli Manning, the first pick in the 2004 draft."
Is Bush worth from $1M-$6M more than Smith? I'd say yes. There was definitely no consensus last year as to who the best player was. As for this year - Hell, the Niners-Texans game was freaking labled the "Bush Bowl".
Does he get $30M guaranteed? No. But he probably gets around $27M. Plus my .
Now knowing A.Smith's number, I still think Bush came in a little high. He isn't a quarterback, and doesn't deserve quarterback money. Amazingly enough, A.Smith's agent probably screwed us the most, because he wasn't the concensus number one, and yet got paid the same. R.Bush doesn't deserve a huge increase over his predecessors wages, first because he isn't a quarterback, which demands the most money, and second because rookies get paid too much in the first place, but that's another topic.
Word was that Bush wanted QB money. Well, this is beyond QB money. It's John Elway type money if he were to come out this year.
Plus incentives & the tons of marketing he will do. Heard Adidas wants to make him the 2nd highest marketed player after Peyton Manning...
I think Reggie Bush heard he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, according to (insert media head here). He seems like a great guy, and an even better back, but I have problems who are good, and know it. I know its hard to be humble when money is on the line, but $30 million is an exhorbent amount for someone who has never touched a football in the pros. That is more than proven probowlers will get in free agency.
Someone needs to contact the NFLPA and the GMs and tell them to put a cap on rookie salaries. This is getting out of hand.
It's still too much.
Other teams would never work with the Texans again since the 1st pick usually sets the bar for other draftees in the trickle-down effect.
It's amazing how money can have an effect on people. To me, this makes Bush look greedy, and selfish. He may not be those things, and it might be his agent wants a slightly larger number, but it makes the player look bad publicly when he seems to have a big head.
I am definately beginning to question my own judgement on him, and reverting back to my trade down ideas.
I think Bush will settle for less, but apparently he and his agent are very convinced of his worth and intend to set a record rookie deal.
every single player projected to go #1 overall would want a huge amount of money. there's no greed here.
It may not look like greed to you, but $30 million looks that way to me. A reasonable start wouold be around the $28-29 million range. Yeah, it may seem close, but that's and extra $1-2 MILLION dollars. That's a lot of zeros.
Does anyone know who the highest paid running back in the league is? And how much did he get in guaranteed money
I imagine Segal has an equation worked out taking into account potential endorsements in NY vs. TX and NY income tax. Unfortunately, even at equilibrium the advantage goes to NY, as Segal gets a bigger cut from endorsements. Thus, if we want Bush, we pay his price. Bush would be content to take less salary in NY if he could make it up elsewhere, and his agent might steer him in this direction. We might be looking at #4 and #29, hoping the QB's go 2-3.
I have never been part of a negotiation in the NFL, but it would be interesting to find out if Segal did any homework at all on the Texans Cap projection 5 years out. Morever, there is really no substance in the article. The bonus itself can rear itself in many forms signing, roster, etc., therefore it can be meted out many different ways. I seriously doubt that he would say 30 million and not have a plan behind it.
This appears to be more of a plant than substance.
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