Bush video vs. Young video

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  1. texansfaninla

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    I found video clips of both Vince Young and Reggie Bush online, and thought it'd be interesting for everyone to see them:

    Vince: http://www.youtube.com/w/inVINCEable?v=GlYTlzR1j7k&search=vince young (only one I could find with just Vince Young career highlights)

    Reggie:
    http://www.youtube.com/w/reggie-bush-high-school-high-tape?v=z7IR4aHSohM&search=reggie bush (high school)
    http://www.youtube.com/w/Reggie-Bush?v=4bU2IuomVVs&search=reggie bush (collection)
    http://www.youtube.com/w/reggie-bush?v=osO8obF62Tc&search=reggie bush (collection II - excuse the cheesy cuts to Pete Carroll)

    It's a total toss-up for these reasons:
    1. Based on pure talent in highlights I've seen, in my opinion, I think I'd take Reggie Bush. The highlights for both players feature a lot of amazing runs, with some throws included on the Vince Young clip. I noticed at least a couple of underthrown balls and dangerous throws while in trouble - things that could get him into trouble in the NFL.

    2. Based on character, and I know Bush has seemed to be a good guy, I'd take Vince. The guy is a class act with the work ethic it takes to be a top success. Guys like Michael Jordan, Jerry Rice, etc. were great because they worked for it. Vince understands that, and he generates respect among others because of it. I was very impressed with his post-game interview after the Rose Bowl. And I don't think he'd ever present a character issue. Bush - he doesn't seem to be a bad guy. I just think Vince is better in this department.

    In either event, I'll be happy with whoever they pick. Both are outstanding players, and I love Vince's work ethic and that he's from Houston. But just in my humble opinion (for what it's worth - it and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee), I think I'd take Bush. I know Vince's QB rating was high, and that he has great talent and character, but with all due respect to him, we have a QB in David Carr that has shown downright terrific flashes (e.g. Rams 1st half 2005) when he has blocking and isn't on his backside every couple of plays. Under Kubiak, I think he could take some great strides forward. Bush, on the other hand, is just a great runner and receiver, and would be a tremendous threat, especially under Kubiak. He and DD would be a top-notch 1-2 tandem, and with Andre and another stud WR, that offense could be really fun to watch.

    If anyone has any other clips of either players, I'd love to see them attached here too.
     
  2. tulexan

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    I don't think anyone can question Reggie Bush's work ethic or character. From what I hear, Reggie is one of the hardest, if not the hardest working players on the team and spends his summers working with LaDainian Tomlinson trying to improve his game. Also after the Rose Bowl, one of the first things that Reggie Bush did was go to the Longhorns locker room and congratulate them on the great game and their championship.

    What was Vince Young doing after the game? Yelling "who's the Heisman now?".
     
  3. The Dream

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    I kinda like the fact that he did that, I mean he used not winning the Heisman as a motivation factor.....signs of a true competitor imo. (it ain't cocky if you can back it up)
     
  4. JDizzle

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    I don't see how it's any worse than Leinart saying "I still think we're the better team", but it didn't show alot of class on his or Leinart's part IMO. That was probably one of the crappiest Heisman poses he did with the trophy, Desmond Howard's is the best.
     
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    Wow, that video highlight really shows how good of a receiver Vince Young will end up being in the NFL. Seriously, thats no quarterback.
     
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    well texas has alot of speed on defense bush couldnt get to the out side and he rarely runs north and south, plus you cant run east and west in the NFL. I dont see him beign the BIG time back that everyone thinks.
     
  7. texansfaninla

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    I'm not questioning Bush's work ethic. I'm just saying that my impression is that Vince has maybe a slightly better edge in work ethic than does Bush based on what I've heard recently. If I'm wrong, hey - that's fine. Either guy, though, is definitely a competitor, and both are extremely hard workers. I think Bush definitely showed some strong character in going to the Horns' locker room post-game and congratulating them.

    And, for the record, I really think Bush will be a dynamic player in the NFL, and I would love to watch him 10+ times a year for the next several years at Reliant. Not that Vince won't be as good, but I'm just not totally sold on his throwing ability. I think I posted stats in a previous post, but I believe he had 12 TDs versus 11 INTs a year ago. That along with the highlights clip above just gives me slight pause.

    In either event, though, we all should be happy that our choices are Reggie Bush versus Vince Young. Not a bad place to be in - much better than Alex Smith versus Ronnie Brown.
     
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    never judge players based on highlights, cause who doesn't look good in highlights?
     


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    A couple of thoughts:

    1. The Vince highlight video is from last year. He improved to this year.

    2. I wish the Reggie videos had less dives into the endzone and more breaking tackles at the line. (The bread and butter of the NFL--breaking through tackles at the line and getting extra yards). I am not sure how much around the end stuff, or reversing field is gonna work in the NFL. The best part of the videos are showing him catching deeper passes.

    The hard part about evaluating either Bush or Young is the translation to the NFL.

    Young less in the shotgun.

    Bush as RB/wideout whatever.

    They are difficult to compare to others so difficult to project.
     
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    Here's a full video of Vince's entire college career. The video in the original post doesn't have any stuff from 2005, so I don't see how you could compare using that. Vince made huge strides between 2004 and 2005 in his passing abilities.

    (Lower quality) http://www.youtube.com/?v=3qxYWcCBdJ8

    (higher quality) http://www.youtube.com/?v=BXXBL4b5NfY

    If you're on a slower connection, you may need to pause the video for a little while to let it load.

    And even though I love this video to pieces, I don't think it fully conveys just how masterfully Vince tears apart and reads his opposing defenses. Because he's played against some very good teams and made good defenses look like they belong in middle school, both while running and throwing.
     
  12. Dr. Toro

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    The tape Vinny linked shows me a number of very impressive things:

    1. Much has been said of Vince as a mobile QB, meaning he can run, but he passes tremendously on the move, going forward, side to side, even across his body and moving backwards (not so advisable). That's why you see guys (OSU, USC) eating up that pump fake on the move. DBs can't break coverage until after he crosses the LOS, his release is too quick, his vision is too good. Additionally, he does a good job of setting his feet and throwing after making a move behind the line when he needs to.

    2. He throws an excellent deep ball. Most of the time he is hitting guys in stride... sure he threw a couple jump balls (2 or 3 in that film i think). So what? Is he not supposed to utilize his receiver's size advantage? Culpepper did it, Carr had success doing it in '04. Seriously, it's like criticizing a PG for throwing lobs to Shaq. That being said, VY can succeed throwing deep balls without having to put them up.

    3. He can place the ball extremely well to receivers on the move. The knock on him is that he hits a lot of stationary targets. This is more about Texas offense than VY, they did it when Simms, Williams, Thomas, and Johnson were there. This also has to do with teams giving him the underneath passes not wanting to get burned by his legs/deep ball.

    4. He places the ball extremely well to the corners and sidelines in the red zone. How many TD throws in that clip does he place perfectly, where only his receiver has a chance to catch it. The Sweed catch at OSU, Taylor against OU (off his back foot), Thomas in Big 12 Championship game, all come to mind, but there are a number of other examples. He would be a monster in the red zone with AJ.

    5. He possesses ample arm strength, throws nice deep balls, some 30 yard darts. Mort report called it marginal which has been repeated incessantly here. I've read good and decent elsewhere. In today's Chronicle the Cardinals DC said "he's got a big arm".

    6. His running style doesn't expose him to many big hits. Young is constantly moving his feet, and makes his moves/changes direction at or near full speed. He cuts back nicely, but doesn't expose himself to a big hit by stopping and starting. He'll beat you if he can, but he's not going to slow down too much to do it. I think his vision (height) is an asset that Vick doesn't possess, which explains why he's hit less frequently. I really get the sense in his running that he's just playing within himself, taking what the defense is giving, outrunning guys when he can, and getting to the sideline. He doesn't run like a running back a la Vick, but he does break tackles. He's more like Randy Moss or AJ after the catch.

    I watched all of Young's games this year, and contrary to popular belief these highlights are typical of his performance (9 ypa, 7 ypc). His throwing ability makes his running come easier, and his running makes his throwing come easier. Say what you want about USC's defense, but Pete Carroll was an NFL DC with a month to prepare and some nice talent. He couldn't stop him or slow him down. All he could do was try to keep him off the field.
     
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    Did you see the Game? Vince was robbed out of the Heisman anyway, All of the other Sub Parr QB's (White from OU and others) played on National championship caliber teams and were average at best. Please name me a QB that won the Heisman that did anything in the Pros. No QB has EVER thrown for 3000 yards and ran for 1000

    Get over your Crush on the Long Haired Strappling Carr Why dont You
     
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    Carr is Shell Shocked We Ruined Him
     
  16. exclude

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    Big Reggie Style

    Please download the file and see for yourself why we will take this man over VY.

    Please also note that they show the highlight of 2004 Orange Bowl where a sophomore Reggie is playing an OK def that bumrushed a sophomore QB from Texas earlier in that season, some guy named Vince Young.
     
  17. Fighting Blue Hen

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    BTW, I have seen an even more impressive piece put together similar to that one on Vince Young.

    How bout someone post highlights of David Carr getting killed over the last 4 years so maybe you guys can get it through your skulls that we need an offensive line before anything else.

    Ahh, to be fair, I found that VY highlight reel. It's awesome especially if you love AC/DC's Hells Bells ... http://media.putfile.com/Vince-Young-05-Highlights Check out that 3rd and 30 play, that is just sickness.

    After comparing those highlight reels, Young looks like a better runner. Why don't the Texas draft VY as a running back and a backup QB? Kill 2 bird with one stone. ;)
     
  18. ArlingtonTexan

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    Seriously, do you really think that you needed to start a thread with Reggie Bush video?

    I will tack on the back of another Bush thread...found one with video battle
     
  19. CoastalTexan

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    Vince can run, maybe he can be a running back that passes like Landainian T. (hey it working on his strength, running)
     
  20. travfrancis

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    very high quality post by Dr. Toro, props man.

    i really couldn't feel anymore passionate that vy is the right pick for the Texans.
     

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