Discussion in 'College Football & the NFL Draft' started by WILLIEG, Jan 5, 2006.
Young backing up Carr?
Bush spliting carries with DD?
I'll do better than that.
Don't give Carr the 8 million and tell him to vamoose
Take Vince Young.
I watched that game last night expecting to be bowled over. Well, I was. Just not the player I was expecting.
Reasons why Bob McNair would be a fool not to take VY:
Economics: This kid will deliver more tickets, and as we all saw last year, those were some empty stadiums watching the Texans play. VY is a hometown player - he will draw Longhorns, Houstonians who watched him in HS, etc. to the games.
Leadership: One of several overall themes last year was that the team lacked leadership. In watching this kid play game after game, IMO he has the poise and the charisma to LEAD the Texans offense.
Why Not: If you are thinking about drafting Bush to replace an average to above-average back, why not replace an average to above-average QB?
Reasons why Bob McNair would be a fool to take VY:
Economics: You already have a franchise QB in DC. Why invest money in two? I don't think we will be able to trade DC for much of anything because we didn't give him a chance to burgeon in the past few years.
QB Controversy: I hate them. You don't need them. If you take Young, cash in on Carr.
Not Addressing Line Problems: This goes with the "why the heck are we drafting Bush anyways" arguement. If we have so many line problems and defense problems, why are we drafting a new QB and not answering the real Texans issues?
I think the texans should give Carr the 8 mil, then ship him to the saints for there number one draft pick that way we can get both Bush & Young. The saints are having problems getting players to sign with them
Why take Carr when you can get Leinart (undamaged goods)?
True statement. I would Take Vince should he come out, then either Ship Carr and next year's first rounder to the Jets for their 1st round pick this year and a 3rd next year or something like that. If that deal can't go thru, simply go after D'Angelo Willams with the 1st pick in the second round or hey pick up Lindel White......we all saw that he isn't that damn bad at all.
UT style of not giving up and playing hard till the clock reads 00 not USC's style of sitting on a lead.
... oh, that wasn't an option.
A Carr/VY QB controversy is not workable and would be superdoubleplus bad given VY Longhorn roots. It would just make a mess with the fans and the media and the locker room.
VY is a leader. The Texans need leaders.
That is not to say he is going to be immediately sucessful in the league, but he ain't gonna learn from Carr.
The Bush/DD tandem hasn't really thrilled me as a concept but I was willing to give it a chance if that's the way that the man said things had to go.
trade down and take brick....we drafted a backup last year in the 1st round...how bout getting a starter this year
Vince Young was awesome and that was incredible but Bush is the best bet for the Texans. I saw things that impressed me. He ran hard and hit people to finish plays. When he did get in the open field his speed beat anything the Texans have. The bonehead pitch, notwithstanding, he made some awesome moves on that screen pass. They just didn't get him the ball. AND he did get most of the attention and it left Leinart with all kinds of time. LenDale was part of that too.
All this and without knowing whether or not Vince Young will even enter the draft. Y'all must not have watched the post game interviews. Vince said that next year 'we' as in the Texas Longhorns would be back to the Rose Bowl or where ever they end up. So to me that indicates he intends to be back for his Senior year.
How bout trade both of them away and get some picks to help this team. I think I am gonna puke if I read anymore of this junk by everyone thinking that having either one of these guys will make us instantly that much better. There have been many, many better running backs to enter the NFL and didn't do squat and there have been many, many quarterbacks to enter the NFL who didn't do anything once they set foot in front of of men who were bigger, faster, and stronger.
Micheal Vick ring a bell ? Seems we all heard this same stuff when he came out that he was football god. Has Atlanta won the superbowl with him, have they done much of anything they were supposed to do with him. He is an exceptional athlete but he can't do it all and now he is getting racked constantly and on injured list.
If Vince can stay a pocket passer in the NFL he would do well but most teams will want him for his running skills and sooner or later as with vick and mcnabb the linebackers or safeties catch up with you.
I am tired of having players who put fans in the seats. I want to win and go to the playoffs and we need a line and defense to do that.
there has also been a boatload of O-lineman who have never been heard of again that were drafter in Rd 1 and many teams that do well with multiple picks have a smart GM who can draft. Take a star and you still have 7 more picks. 4 in the top 66.
If the Texans take Bush with the #1 pick, I will be extremely happy.
If the Texans take Young with the #1 pick, I will be extermely happy.
Its like saying, "Congratualtions, you've just won a weekend get-away at the Love Shack with either Jennifer Lopez or Eva Longoria" Either way, I ain't gonna lose.
Flip a coin and be done with it. But until then pray that one of the two them stays in school.
Here is the real question do you take Bush or Eva Longoria. Wait thats a bad question nevermind.
What will help this team is better coaching. No Bush or Young can replace that. If the front office/coaches think that the players are better than their abilities showed them to be last year (e.g., the line will succeed without Grgamel, P-buch can play D, etc.), then they may go for an "upgrade" at QB or RB. But if they believe the team's issues cannot be solved with the current players, then we will trade that pick away.
Take Bush....without a doubt.
We have to give Carr the benefit of the doubt....he's never had a competent O-line that protects him as they should. Davis will never be the back that takes us to the next level if and when we make it to the playoffs. A back like Bush will.
VY will just suffer the same fate as Vick. When he won't be able to run (defenses will adapt quickly)....he'll see something he's not used to seeing......WRs covered and up goes the INTs or out of desperation....VY is on the injury list.
ESPN just had a poll on the very subject and Bush won 61% to 39%
First why is this in the Bull Pen and not the draft area.
Second I really dont care both are solid players and if they are the pick I am not gonna be overly upset. Still I am in the trade the pick camp and set up the franchise for present and future success.
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