Brian Cushing: What we know, don't know.

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  1. Texans_Chick

    Texans_Chick Utopian Dreamer

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    Sorry I've been keeping a low profile here but I've been busy. And really, I don't much care for speculative stuff so MB can sometimes be hard for me, though this one is much better than most.

    In any event, I put together in one place something that hopes to straighten out what we know from what we don't know about the Cushing thing. I am going to use it as a link in the future to refer people to who get things a little wrong, and I hope that you feel free to do so as well.

    I think that there's just a ton of misinformation out there due to the nature of how things happened. Friday night release of info, short Cushing statement, the AP went nuts without hearing any facts, limited release of anonymous sourced info and plenty of gossip, a press conference that asked mostly the wrong questions and then a small amount of information released by Cushing's attorney.

    So I tried to straight everything out the best I could given what we know and don't know, and I hope this helps:

    Brian Cushing, confirmation bias and caring about real facts

    If you have any additional facts, questions or corrections, please let me know and I will update the post.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Brisco_County

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    This is the big question for me. It's really the only piece of evidence that would lend to Cushing's case at this point.

    I'm also wondering how many documented cases there are of male athletes who have undulating levels of hCG due to unidentifiable natural causes. I'm guessing none.
     
  3. BigTimeTexanFan

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  4. Texans_Chick

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    Let's assume that Cushing is telling the truth. He likely has a unique health situation.

    How often do men with no symptoms of any kind get their hCG detected at low levels? Don't know the nature of his pituitary issue, but it may be that people with Cushing's medical history aren't in a position to get randomly tested for that hormone. Why would anyone study the natural production of hCG in an otherwise appearing healthy man?
     
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    Steph

    Your PM box is full. Please PM me when its clear.
     
  6. HJam72

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    All this talk of the pituitary has me wondering if HGH or HGH releasers have anything to do with this.
     
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    HGH or HGH releasers do not increase HCG.
     
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    iam so sick of this Cushing story to were it has gotten to the point WHo CARES !!!! can we plz talk about something else
     
  10. barrett

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    TC thank you again for being fact based. Not as exciting as the knee jerking but at least it's based on what we know. (Which isn't much.)
     
  11. Texans_Chick

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    This is not beating a dead horse.

    Peter King in today's MMQB states "I don't believe Cushing's tumor defense."

    He never said he had a tumor defense.

    If a NFL writer can't get basic facts about the matter correct, then who will?

    Just because Cushings attorney/agents botched the PR on this, doesn't mean that Texan fans don't deserve to understand basic facts about this. This is a guy who is suspended for 4 games and the Texans have money invested in him.

    I'm not debating Cushing guilt or innocence. I am just trying to sort out facts.
     
  12. Ole Miss Texan

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    Exactly. Cushing said his "source" (assuming to be a doctor) told him that his situation could be caused by injection or a tumor. Cushing then said, he knows he never injected or ingested this stuff so he played the rest of the season thinking he had a tumor. He never said he had a tumor. He never said a tumor was causing this. All he said is that based on the two options the source gave him, he was scared it was a tumor. He says he doesn't know what is causing this, just that he was told a tumor may have been the culprit and at that time he was running on the assumption that's what it could have been.

    There is way too much "twisting of words" here that peoples' opinions are now becoming 'facts'. Thanks for your part in sorting this out TC.
     
  13. Texans_Chick

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    I liked what Adam Wexler said about the situation on Twitter. That it was easier to sort out the final season of Lost.
     
  14. HuttoKarl

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    The source of the tumor thing is from the NFL. It sends out a letter stating that hCG spikes can be caused by tumors. Cushing never said he had a tumor. Peter King can hardly do anything but drool...it's not surprising that fat loaf can't read.
     
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    Email his letter bag. Everyone. If you are on Twitter, tweet him. Politely correct him. Politely ask him to report more basic details from Cushing's attorney. That information might not be accurate, but at least it would be Cushing's actual defense.

    I suggest you be polite because you are more likely going to get an answer than if you call him a coffee-chugging fatass or something.

    Stay classy, but definitely email him to correct the MMQB. Show that you care that he gets facts correct. We don't know all the details of what went on but what we do know is that his defense wasn't based on tumors:


    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/05/16/ranking/index.html


    The email link is at the top of the column and the Cushing thing is on Page 5.
     
  16. badboy

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    I realize it is unfair for me to think Cush would act as I would in this type of situation but here are questions I have.

    1. Having a history of allegations of a history of abuse, why did he not submit to NFL everything he admits to putting in his body "just in case" prior to game one? At least he could show an attempt to work within guidelines even though HCG would not have been on the list as he did not use it.

    2. Why did you allow McNair and Kubiak to get blindsided by this? Your agent works for you. Maybe Texans could have made suggestions. Even if your guys are telling you that the appeal will be in your favor, a heads up would have been appreciated.

    3. As the test results were pretty vague and if one NFL doctor said Cushing's position was plausible, why the 4 game suspension. We do not know if NFL agrees with Cushing's assertion on doctor's disagreement.
     
  17. HuttoKarl

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    I have emailed him and let him know that the media is putting words into Cushing's mouth and that he never said he had tumors but feared he may have tumors. Big difference. I wouldn't expect him to say anything that might be construed as being sympathetic towards Cushing or giving him any iota of benefit of the doubt though.
     
  18. Texans_Chick

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    1. He said that everything he puts in his body is stuff approved by the Texans

    2. He told them that he had an "issue" with the league. He said he thought they were going to win their appeal. His attorney told him not to say anything. Usually listening to your attorney Is A Good Thing.

    3. If you break the policy, it is an automatic 4 game suspension. No wiggle room. He tested positive twice last year but only one test counted because both samples matched.
     
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    When I read Cushing's comments in Houston paper saying he was told the substance could be caused by a tumor and that he had already had a pituitary gland problem, plus saying he thought he may be playing football for his last season, I thought he was saying he might have a tumor.
     
  20. HuttoKarl

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    The "source" of the tumor language is a letter sent by the NFL saying that tumors can cause the hCG levels on a test. Since Cushing didn't inject anything, he THOUGHT he MIGHT have a tumor. Never said he had one, which isn't what Peter King and Mike Florio and other hacks have been saying.
     

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