Bob McNair ranked 7th best owner

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  1. TexanSam

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    By Sports Illustrated. It's just one guy's opinion though. Not a bad one either

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_silver/06/27/ownerrankings/2.html
     
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    #7 is pretty good for McNair.

    Seeing "The Dan" and Jerry Jones that high makes me shudder. LOL
     
  3. YellerLotYeller

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    I'll take number 7 all day long.

    I think Pud is way too high at #18.
     
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    "Like Snyder, McNair is an aggressive, personally invested owner who desperately wants to field a winning team. Unlike the Redskins' boss, McNair hasn't even come close to doing so."

    To come close to a winning team don't you have to do it more than one season in a row?
     
  5. Texans Horror

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    McNair is willing to spend whatever it takes to get a winning franchise. He has not been encumbered by on-the-field talent so much as cut down by coaching and front office misfires.
     
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    "And, on a self-serving note, McNair's may be the most media-friendly organization in the league."
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    I find that to be a rather dubious stement given that the Texans don't stand in good stead with ESPN, easily the most prominent member of the sports media establishment/industry. And then there's McNairs apparent indifference about concerns of the hometown media given some of his recent personnel decisions.
     
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    IIRC, they've won the award for the best media staff in the league twice.

    Just because you have an open, helpful staff, doesn't mean media folks will write all happy sunshine about your team. A helpful staff also means you aren't going to make your football decisions based on what Richard Justice wants.

    Personally, I think he is the #1 bestest owner because he was able to broker football back to Houston where it rightfully, and naturally belongs. The Texans don't always make the right decisions, but they try and they aren't afraid to spend money, and well, that means something.

    Also, making sure we could have tailgating really has made a difference in creating more of a Texans community.

    At the end of the day, if given a choice between a meddling owner v. one who let's the football guys make the decisions, I'm gonna pick the non-meddling owner who gives the football guys whatever they want. Kubiak has repeatedly said that McNair makes sure that they have everything they need. Of course, this approach puts a premium on the decision making of your HC and GM, but that gives me more comfort than the Jerry Jones/Dan Snyder style owners.
     
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  8. Vinny

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    ESPN is typical ham-handed media....if you are one of the worst teams, they joke about you and pan you openly without much homework...it happens to all the teams that don't win since on a National level we have little to no interest. If we want happy-faced ESPN exposure we just need to start winning and stop picking in the top 10 of the draft as a yearly ritual.
     


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    McNair at #7 is a joke. This is the guy who resigned Carr after a 2-14 season so he could pass on VY. That wasn't Kubiak's call. Sticking with Carr was part and parcel of getting the Texans job. Everyone knows that. Even Dan Reeves told McNair to draft VY when Reeves was brought in as a consultant. McNair didn't listen and stuck with that loser Carr and that is why we are currently a running joke around the league. I will give McNair some credit for admitting that it was a stupid move and getting rid of the Carrbage a year after his titanic mistake. Most millionaires much less billionaires dont like to admit when they were wrong, and he at least admitted that he screwed up....I just don't think that means we should forget about what a dumbarse he was.

    McNair should be around #15 or so and Snyder should be near the bottom. Kraft should be #1 with Jones a close #2. Say what you want about Jerry but he has delivered 3 trophies to the trophy case and has managed to build the greatest sporting venue in the history of mankind. that has got to be worht something.
     
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    Just because you say these things, doesn't make them true.

    Reeves was not consulted on who to draft. He did advise that Carr was not the problem. Check out for example this link: Dan Reeves: Futher Explains His View on Vince Young, Reggie Bush and Mario Williams

    Casserly was very anti-VY, and still is. Remember his top 10 list of QBs with less than 40 starts. See who is missing?

    10 Alex Smith
    9 Jason Campbell
    8 Matt Leinert
    7 Rex Grossman
    6 Tony Romo
    5 Bryan Leftwich
    4 Big Ben
    3 Eli Manning
    2 Philip Rivers
    1 Carson Palmer

    If Reeves comes in and says no problem with Carr, and Casserly is saying the same thing, why should Bob McNair think any differently?
     
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    I don't know how "non-meddling" the owner is when we pretty much go down in flames based on his unnatural love of David Carr and pretty much picking a coach around this really bad decision (he picked the best coach for David moreso than the best coach for the team). He also was so dissapointed in DC's development he hired a consultant to justify his pick...only to have Dan Reeves tell him to draft VY...we were going to sign and draft Bush right up to the last second (Mario came into the picture at the last min) but he got scared on character issues at the last second....seems like he is more meddling than his PR spin portrays.
     
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    Dan Reeves did not tell him to draft VY. From what it appears from Dan Reeves' own quotes he wasn't consulted with that.

    I think he was so disappointed in the information he got from Charlie Casserly, that he hired a consultant. I believe it was the Phillip Buchanon thing that really drove him over the edge. He dumped Charlie in the grease in the newspaper about it, and Reeves was hired shortly thereafter. It is the first (only) time I've ever seen McNair publicly undermine his GM.

    Personally, I think that a lot of people in the same situation would have picked Kubiak as coach of the Texans because there ain't too many coaches in the league that would pick head coach of the Texans as their dream job. He wanted it.

    As it relates to the character issue, Bob McNair is on a macro level very interested in having high character guys playing for his team. It's part of the Texans mission statement. It is easy for someone to say that, it's another thing to have a team act on that. (Yes, we want high character unless a guy runs in the 4.2s). Personally, I think that had Bush actually shown more interest in being a Texan, he would be. All that, being first pick in the draft is a dream to me, boy it would be nice being a NY Jet for the marketing talk rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
     
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    Kubiak's call would have been Bush according to my source shortly after the draft. If it sounds, smells and tastes like a VY rant, it must be a chicken. :)
     
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    Other rumory things out there suggest that Bush's visit with the Texans was double plus non-good. It never came out exactly why it wasn't good, but the rumory stuff was that this was kept quiet in the hopes that they could still get a trade for him.
     
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    I never agreed with the Kubes thing (I would have wanted Whisenhunt or Martz). There is a reason Kubes never smelled an HC job until he came to us.

    He had nothing to do with putting the ZB system together, which is apparently his big selling point. Shanahan did a lot of the playcalling as well.

    So, Kubes big thing was taking credit for Elway's career.:gun:
     
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    From Kubiak's starting point in the 2006 season I would say he is tracking in the right direction. 300% year over year improvment in the win column, finding players to plug and play, signing reputable free agents, bringing on coaches that want to be here and scrubbing the left over talent from the past regime are a few reasons why I am still digging this crazy train we call the Texans.
     
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    Geeeeeez..........

    McNair - a lousy owner with his unnatural love for DC.
    Kubiak - a lousy pick as a coach. Never sniffed a HC position before this one.

    Blah, blah, blah...

    ALL crap!!!

    Move to Seatle and become a statistic.
     
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    I never called McNair a "lousy owner". I just stated that he is more meddlesome than he is portrayed to be.
     
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    Actually the last few years in Denver Shanahan let Kubiak take over the offense. So as he may not have designed it, does not mean he was not a part of it.

    The designer of the WCO was Bill Walsh but look how many coaches came from that tree ... Andy Reid, George Sceiferdt (sp), Mike Holmgren and Steve Marriuchi. That is only a few,
     
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    that smells like spin to me. i read Reeves quote that he told McNair that he should draft VY but that he didnt say that McNair needed to get rid of Carr. Seems like you have it the other way around. However you spell it, Reeves was right about VY and wrong about Carr and Bob McNair was wrong about both.

    and if McNair isn't picking RB because of character issues, that is just laughable. he won the freaking Heisman for crying out loud. yeah, he took some money but that goes on everywhere and is not unique to RB. his problem was that he lied about it to Bob. All he had to tell Bob was 'my parents probably took advantage of my college status and used it to improve their situation. I am sorry Bob but I won't let you down'.....instead he allegedly lied to his face in a direct question..it was High Stakes Poker and McNair called RB's and more importantly, his agent's bluff that Friday Afternoon.

    stephanie, i am not a blogger or a texans insider but over 3 years ago I was on this board stating that Carr's work ethic was poor and that he was among the first to leave the complex and did not work with his teammates in the offseason or outside of team organized activities. I stated that he was notoriously lacking in his film study. I also stated that he wasn't 'one of the guys' and didnt hang out with his teammates outside of team organized activities and charities. I stated that Al Saunders brought a PowerPoint presentation to his Texans job interview that showed all the problems Carr has with his release point and with his reading of the defense/knowledge of his position and that was a huge reason he was not considered for the job even though he was probably the most coveted HC candidate that offseason. I wrote that a lot of the Offensive Lineman were kinda offended that Carr bought them paint ball guns after '04 and who wouldn't be offended by that? I was called a moron, a carr hater, and just about everything in the book. I knew what I knew and I was eventually proven correct. The sheeple (including McNair) continued to hitch their wagon to that loser. I had my sources but I ain't outing a friend who does have inside knowledge. (fyi - he isn't a member of the Texans but does deal with multiple Texans on a day-to-day basis when they are at the facility/homegame and is close with many of them...lets just say that he lends them an ear and has heard some hardcore rants)

    so why am I not surprised when someone else says that I am wrong or that I don't know what I am talking about? Bottom line is that McNair hired Kubiak to coach Carr up. Reeves told McNair to draft VY but that Carr didn't need to be fired. McNair didn't heed his device and passed on Bush because RB did some unethical stuff in college and wasn't forthcoming with the truth and wasn't going to sign before the draft. Mario was more willing to sign before the draft and in their infinite wisdom was chosen instead of Bush, Ferguson, or VY.

    i love your blog but stop trying to change the facts in order to put Bob in a better light. Bob screwed up. Period. End of story. At least he didn't wait another 5 years to admit it and turned the page this offseason. I give him a lot of credit for that all the time.

    for the record, I think we have a good chance this season at improvement. having the youngest starters in the league is fine in my book and Smith seems to have things going in the right direction. no more overpaying for players and no more wtf?!?! draft picks. I think our roster is quite respectable especially when you consider how much dead capspace we have courtesy of Casserley. I love my Texans. GO TEXANS!
     
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