Blocking Rule Campaign: Cushing vs Kubiak vs Smith?

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  1. CloakNNNdagger

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    ZBS isn't the source of what happened to Cush.
     
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    There's a difference between a chop-block & a cut-block.
     
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    There's a difference between a legal block and an illegal block.
     
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    How many DLmen actually get hurt because of the cut-block? Everyone I can recall getting hurt, was off an illegal block.
     
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    Exactly. How many people have been injured by the Texans' cut blocking? I've watched every Texans game in the Kubiak era, and I can't remember any injuries.

    And Slauson's block was illegal. That's why they fined him.
     
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    None when Chester Pitts performs the block.
    He announces it an hour in advance so the DLmen can avoid it. :brando:
     
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    Not in any way making a case against cut blocking, but if I remember correctly, didn't Ziggy Hood and Casey Hampton both have ACLs as a result of cut blocks?
     


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    sigh the NFL might as well take the pads off and put pink neon shirts on them and just play flag football at this point.

    Cushing just needs to get back to work and deal with the rigors of the NFL.
     
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    I think they're turning Cushing's words into something it's not, or Cushing is extrapolating from his experience & coming to a poor conclusion.

    I'm not saying this, because the Texans teach cut-blocking as part of their system. I just don't know of many people who get hurt this way. The horse collar.... seemed like they made a pretty good case for it, rolling onto the back of the QB's legs.... I got it. But I'm just not seeing players getting hurt by legal blocks.

    Of course, if the Texans didn't teach it I wouldn't be concerned, but my opinion would be the same.
     
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    I'm venturing to guess that it's not the typical use of the cut block at the snap that Cushing objects to, but how allowing cut blocking creates dangerous situations after the snap. His own injury being the prime example.
     
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    What probably bothers most defenders is that they have to spend time learning to counter it. That's why we always hear about how risky it is, but hardly ever see injuries from it.

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    That block on Cushing is not allowed. It was flagged & the player was fined.

    If not for cut blocks, less athletic defensive linemen could be more successful & extend their careers.
     
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    Right, but the fact that the blocks are even allowed means that a moron like Slauson is going to abuse it by making a careless decision.
     
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    And sometimes the only difference between a block being legal or illegal is an imaginary line.

    "That block (on Cushing) is already illegal (outside the tackle box)," Smith said at the combine. "In the (tackle) box, it's legal."

    The bock is not allowed where it happened.

    Had that exact same block occurred in the tackle box, it's legal.
     
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    I do not believe Smith is correct with regard to this hit. Cushing was not hit from the front as is required for a legal cut block. I do not think that was a legal hit anywhere on the field. The OLmen's whole body is behind Cushing except for his helmet impacting his knee from the side.
     
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    But that is not what the article, and the league, are saying:

     
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    Reading up on cut blocking vs. chop blocking and finding out the source of why the block on Cushing would have been legal in the box, I keep getting Rule 12, Section 2, Article 3 & 4 of the NFL rulebook.

    Here is the wording:

    Bold added, but I believe this is the part of the rulebook that they might change, IMO.

    It says "above the waist", so I'm a little confused if this is exactly what they are talking about updating.

    edit: further reading, and I have always thought it was illegal no matter where it happens like 'cak mentioned, it specifically mentions "A player of either team may block (obstruct or impede) an opponent at any time, provided that the act is not: (j) an illegal cut block;" (Rule 12, Section 1, Article 1).

    So I think the article is just wrong in confusing cut vs. chop blocking, and the questions to our GM and HC have been misconstrued to fit the article's agenda. JMO
     
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    Just saw on tv. Blocks that took out cushing are now illegal
     

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