BL HALFWAY 2011 Mock Draft

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  1. beerlover

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    First Round: Stephon Gilmore, Junior CB, South Carolina, 6010 194


    Rangy, long wingspan, exhibits rare body control & ball skills for position. Loose hips, very good long speed in 4.4 range, physical in run support, has exceptional closing speed & instincts. Very similar to fellow alum Jonathan Joseph, would make bookend gamecocks.

    excuse me time for another beer on that note :beerfunnel:

    Second Round: Melvin Ingram, Senior DE/DT, South Carolina, 6020 275

    Stout, low build to the ground, very strong with athletic moves for a big. High motor Wade likes, passion for the game not afraid to mix it up inside & has multiple pass rush moves to beat defenders. Have a very good feel for this kid & think he is low risk high reward, like Brooks but more in the box.

    Third Round: Arthur Brown, Junior ILB, Kansas State, 6010 230

    I'm looking for a home run, nickle package cover LB with athletic ability to stop TE's & RB's in their tracks. Short area explosiveness, instinctual with nose for the ball. Texans should be willing to trade up top of third if still available & trade out of the 5th to do it.

    Fourth Round: James Brown, Senior, OG/RG, Troy, 6040 312

    Powerful, road grader with excellent feet who could also swing out to tackle. Small school I see him going early in the 5th but if Texans do trade back he could still very well be one of their targets. Has everything to compete at the next level & fight Brisel for the starting RG position as a rookie.

    Fifth Round: Travian Robertson, Senior DT/NT, South Carolina, 6402 303

    Sense a Gamecock theme? Well here is your nose, a more svelte than imagined but fits Wade Phillips parameters for position. Athletic & disruptive someone who fits in rotation. Good explosiveness should be a solid pro & fit here in Houston making his transition easier, fellow line mate Ingram.

    Sixth Round: Jared Karstetter, Senior WR, Washington State, 6040 215

    Texans gave up a 7th for Mason so this is backend heavy @ WR. The way the draft looks to fall Texans are out of position in both 1st & 2nd rounds to grab a legitimate difference maker so I think Rick Smith will effort to land a big time free agent & address WR need via this route. Basicly with this pick & Mason he's adding three camp bodies to compete with existing players. Of course there is no guarantee Karstetter is anything more that PS material but he is very smart (going to be a dentist) sure handed big WR who usess body well, above average blocker & effective red zone target. Very under rated & not well followed.

    BL :wesmantexanfan:
     
  2. Wolf6151

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    1. Gilmore, I'd prefer a NT like Ta'amu in the 1st round but I've had Gilmore in one of my mocks as well and he is a very good player and would also help solve one of the teams biggest weaknesses so I can't argue against the pick. Good pick, fits a major need.
    2. Ingram, You really think he's available in the late 2nd round? If so he's a good player and great value this late.
    3. Brown, I don't know anything about him but he seems small to play ILB in the NFL unless he adds some weight. This also seems early for a backup ILB when there's better value usually in O-linemen in the 3rd round and we need O-line talent.
    4. Brown, I don't know anything about him but I'd flip the #3 and #4 position picks, O-line starter before ILB backup.
    5. Robertson, I've had him in my mocks as well and think that he'd be good DE depth. I don't think he's an NFL NT at all.
    6. Karstetter, I don't know anything about him and it's not the position I would have chosen for depth this late but as long as he can play special teams well and busts his butt to be a part of the WR rotation then I don't have a problem with him. I think there's alot of good WR talent in this draft and we should be able to get a good one in the 2nd round.
     
  3. beerlover

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    It would be fascinating to see Gilmore compete in camp next year against the likes of Kareem & Allen completing a long standing, frustrating revamp of corner situation.

    Ingram is a multifaceted linemen who some feel could wind up playing NT in a 3-4 like Wade employ's. To me his natural fit is a 5 tech DE in a 3-4 but could also fill similar role to how Mario is being used. Wishful thinking late 2nd rd. but you just never know this early, a lot of things will change before April & it's not like he fits your typical DT profile.

    I agree with OL starter importance over a back-up or situation LB, however I seem to remember Brown playing with Sharpton @ Miami & he was a dynamic playmaker with unbelievable closing speed to the runner who has elite cover ability Plus as we see now depth @ position is a need.

    Texans don't need to spend a high draft pick on the OL to improve the RG position. Brown is big, athletic, powerful with excellent feet who has shown ability to swing outside & cover tackle position even mirror, slide & stun much smaller quicker defensive ends.

    Robertson has Ratliff written all over him.

    Karstetter is a Kevin Walter clone, except bigger & stronger than Walter who was a 7th rd. pick by the Giants in 2003.

    thanks man for your feedback :)
     
  4. steelbtexan

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    I like your mock

    1. Gilmore-Like this pick alot.
    2. If Ingram is still there you have to take him. This pick means MW isn't coming back. So that should free up $$$$ to sign a FA WR like Bowe or Meachem.
    3.You have Brown rated much higher than I do. But I like your line of reasoning. I will put more time studying him. Give me Jarius Wright or AJ Jenkins.
    4. Brown- No nothing about him, but Troy seems to put out good athletes every yr.
    5. Robertson-Love this pick.
    6.Karstetter- Good pick. Give me Joe Adams or Carrier to take the spot Holliday was suppoed to fill. Give me J.R.Sweezy or Jake Bequette as a late rd developmental prospect.

    If they sign a big time WR in FA then this mock makes alot of sense.
     
  5. rmartin65

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    Cant really argue against those picks man, good job.

    I like Gilmore. I am a little hesitant to go CB in the first, but Gilmore is quite a talent.

    Like others, I worry about Ingram being available in the late 2nd. I think he is an early second/late first. But if he is there, you have to pick him.

    I worry about Brown's size. I like looking for an ILB, and Brown has a lot of talent. But 230 is pretty small. He would need to add at least 10 lbs, while not losing the athleticism (speed, agility, acceleration) that makes him special.

    I dont know enough about Brown, so I cant argue or claim to love the pick. I do like the position though.

    Robertson is an interesting idea. Sometimes when there is so much talent on one part of a defense (here the SC DL- Clowney, Ingram, Taylor), I worry about some guys looking better than they actually are. However, NT is a need, and I dont have any better options this late in the draft.

    Karstetter could be a steal. I like the pick. Maybe he never becomes a key receiver, but getting a replacement for KW is certainly worth a 6th.
     
  6. Ndevine7

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    Great mock like the positions taken. If a CB with the talent of a Gilmore, Jenkins(doubt we take him even if available but would love him) or another top talent CB is available when we pick it will be interested the route we go. Love Ingram as a player has a great motor and seems like he can do everything (Georgia game he had a fumble recovery for a td a fake punt for a td and IIRC he was on the hands team for the onside kick and recovered it to end the game). Overall I really like the mock.
     
  7. thunderkyss

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    Didn't we go that route once already?

    Dunta & Bennett?

    Maybe this is a one gamecock team... avoids confusion if you know what I mean.
     
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    BL, Ingram at DE or OLB?
     


  9. beerlover

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    some feel he could cover all three positions in Wade Phillips scheme.
     
  10. beerlover

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    Jonathan Josepth seems to be working out ok :)

    Another point about this guys, is with new CBA the positions are slotted in regardless making a top flight CB, LT or QB contract that much more leveraged. A starting CB on the cheap is not a bad way to go, just look what top flight CB's get on 2nd contract, which is just another reason why I deceided to go this direction early. They are both expensive & difficult to replace.
     
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    You make a very good point about the money aspect of the CB position and the same thing could be said for quality NT's as well. I never thought about the draft from that pov. Thanks. A starting CB if signed to a 5-6 yr. deal could be a money saver for years to come.
     
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  12. Corrosion

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    Im really wavering on what position I'd target in round one .... So much depends on where they pick and if someone who might be highly rated at one position or another falls ....

    They really need help at WR , an ILB , DT or even a top rated OG wouldnt bother me in round one ....

    From what Ive heard , they are satisfied with the play of Cody and Mitchell at DT so unless a really highly ranked DT falls to them .... I cant see that position (Whats Cody's contract status?).

    I could definately see a WR taken highly as Jones just hasnt given them enough there.

    ILB is another position I could see them moving in if they found a big run stuffer type to plug in the middle opposite Cushing .... since Ryans is playing on one arm and one leg and his cost is pretty hefty.

    A 3/4 team can never have enough OLB's .... and if MW isnt resigned or franchised another guy in the rotation with Reed and Barwin wouldnt be a bad idea.


    OG - If one of the top guards were to fall in their lap in the mid 20's .... I dont think any of us would complain. The key to a great offense is its line.

    CB - After the recent crops of CB's picked in the first round , most of which are doing nothing ....... I'd prefer take a flyer on a high cieling guy in the later rounds and if a starter is needed find a reasonably priced guy via FA who is proven.
     
  13. beerlover

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    Can't see ILB as that big of need even with the injury bug & assorted issues. DeMeco is not 100%, yet, but with more snaps he should start accelerating back into form & don't forget the millions the Texans have invested. Then there is Cushing, don't forget his contract is looming down the road sooner than later, the way he's playing wouldn't you expect a similar contract to DeMeco? That's a huge chunk of change already spent on ILB then throw free agent to be OLB Mario into the mix I just can't see spending on another 1st rd. LB. What the Texans are going to need is some low cost depth, situation players like Arthur (plays like a man-child) Brown, who excel in specific specialized areas. So let me just lay that down & put those other's ideas to rest, it ain't happening.

    Biggest need you can argue is between two positions WR & CB. Both need a legit #2. I'm just saying you take the bpa between the two & in this draft CB (assuming the underclassman declare) is where it's at. The WR position is too thin @ the top, then there is a solid second group, of which the Texans may draw upon, but this mock is based on Rick Smith landing an established, vet (besides Mason) who can walk right in, knows the NFL inside out & is a starter next to Andre day one. no surprises. You can choose between, Vincent Jackson, DeSean Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, Steve Johnson, Robert Meachem & Mario Manningham just to name a few. I actually think the Denver connection might work again & pick up Eddie Royal. Bottom line there are plenty of options without spending a high draft pick, then wait for him to develop, hence no high picks used on position.

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  14. thunderkyss

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    Take Robert Meachem off your list. He's a first round pick playing behind 7th rounder Marques Colston, Lance Moore, & Devery Henderson. He's never produced more than Jacoby.

    Manningham... talented. I'd take a chance that his QB is holding him back, but he's only produced slightly better than Jacoby & would probably cost a lot more.

    Eddie Royal... c'mon man.
     
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    Demeco's injuries , reduced role , decreased production and high cost are why I say he could end up as a "Cap Casualty". At his current level of play , he's simply not worth what they are paying him.
    How much guaranteed money is left on his deal and what would it cost to cut or trade him cap wise .....
    Drafting an ILB early allows for Demeco to be shipped out one way or another while freeing up money to spend elsewhere since they have deals coming up for MW , Cushing and Foster among others.
    Remember we now have slotted money for draft picks. Its a cost savings to plug in a young player here for the next three to four seasons which the team would have control of that player on a rookie deal.
     
  16. beerlover

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    Eddie Royal was pretty spectacular as a rookie (91 receptions 980 yards & 5 TD's) then when Cutler parted ways w/Denver things never been the same, including hip surgery among other things. Don't follow the Pros like College players but he represents the type of talent teams draft in the 2nd rd. @ WR position (Denver took him 42nd overall 11th pick of the 2nd rd.) His player comp was Steve Smith (who reportedley was on the trade block before the season started for a 2nd/3rd) Royal money would be less than offered to Jacoby who's best season falls significantly short with 51 receptions for 562 yards & three TD's.

    There are more high profile WR free agents as well, like Reggie Wayne, Wes Welker, Marques Colston even Mike Wallace although he is restricted. some more names for you:

    Early Doucet (ARZ)
    Harry Douglas (ATL)
    Eric Weems (ATL)
    Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
    Legedu Naanee (CAR)
    Earl Bennett (CHI)
    Roy Williams (CHI)
    Andre Caldwell (CIN)
    Jerome Simpson (CIN)
    Rashied Davis (DET)
    Maurice Stovall (DET)
    Bryant Johnson (HOU)
    Pierre Garcon (IND)
    Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
    Jerheme Urban (KC)
    Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
    Bernard Berrian (MIN)
    Greg Camarillo (MIN)
    Deion Branch (NE)
    Matt Slater (NE)
    Domenik Hixon (NYG)
    Devin Thomas (NYG)
    Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
    Derek Hagan (OAK)
    Chaz Schilens (OAK)
    Steve Smith (PHI)
    Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
    Patrick Crayton (SD)
    Braylon Edwards (SF)
    Ted Ginn (SF)
    Josh Morgan (SF)
    Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
    Micheal Spurlock (TB)
    Donnie Avery (TEN)
    Kevin Curtis (TEN)
    Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
    Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
    Stephen Williams (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
    Jordan Norwood (CLE) - Exclusive Rights
    Jesse Holley (DAL) - Exclusive Rights
    Kevin Ogletree (DAL) - Restricted
    Stefan Logan (DET) - Restricted
    Matt Willis (DEN) - Restricted
    Danny Amendola (STL) - Restricted
    Dominique Curry (STL) - Exclusive Rights
    Preston Parker (TB) - Exclusive Rights
     
  17. steelbtexan

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    Disagree with you about Meachem.

    He is playing more than Henderson now and did a great job when Colston was out. The Saints have a very deeo WR corps. (Something the Texans have never had) Meachem would shine opposite a healthy AJ.
     
  18. beerlover

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    I'll agree with you, cost of rookie contract would be less than a veteran franchise type of player (DeMeco) against a teams structured salary cap. But I disagree with you his (Ryans) career is finished & simply a cap casualty in Wade Phillips defense.
     
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    I dont think Ryans career is finished by any stretch of the imagination .... Just that he's not playing up to his contract (due to injury) , I could easily see him being the odd man out.

    Then again , with the injury to Sharpton the depth at the position is questionable.

    I think its something we have to ponder going into the next offseason. ILB could very well be in the mix early in next years draft along with the more obvious choices.
     
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    So basically, third round is not high enough priority or you disagree with my ILB chosen w/3rd.?
     

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