Belichick: 3-4 Guru Gone Rogue

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    That's a pretty gross mischaracterization of the 3-4. The whole purpose of the 3-4 is that you get more athletic LB on the field and less big linemen. Thereby, by default, being more athletic.

    Would anyone in their right mind contend that James Harrison or Tambi Hali is less athletic than Charles Johnson or Julius Peppers?

    That's ridiculous.

    It's simply that with the number of 3+ WR formations, teams are going into nickel and dime more.

    As a side, who does this sound like?

     
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    It depends on who the coach is. Sure the hybrid olb is more athletic than your typical de, but the article specifically mentioned a lot of 34 teams going with bigger lbs to hold up better against the run. Think about it. Instead of saying you replaced a de with a lb, it is probably more appropriate to say you replaced a lb with a de.

    Look at us, we have 5 guys who are basically d-linemen and two true lb's.

    Also, a lot of 34 teams essentially use 3 dts. And most use big fat nt's.

    I'm a fan of the 34 simply because of alignment. 34's also take a bit longer to read for o linemen and qb's if you are mixing up your defensive play calling.


    And honestly, the league becoming more of a passing league means all base sets have become less relevant. You have to play at least 5 DB's for a lot of the game anyways.

    That's another reason I didn't get the many people who expressed disgust with Mario at olb. The guy still has his hand on the ground for much of the game.
     
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    "The problem is the 3-4 requires bigger linemen to plug those gaps and favors bigger and often less mobile linebackers. Thus, while it allows a defensive coach more flexibility in how he attacks an offense, the 3-4 often leaves him with less agile players to drop into coverage, a disadvantage with today’s proliferation of spread offenses."

    That's the basic way to run it although i don't agree with the bigger lumbering lbs being needed to stop the run. but every solid DC who's been running the 3-4 for years (wade, ryan etc) has been able to put their little twist on it to make it more adaptable to the game & how it has changed over the years. For instance, Wade has been somewhat able to put to rest the notion that you need a monster NT in the middle as he has coordinated very good defenses with & without that trademark monster NT in the middle.

    This is a classic case of Belicheat just trying to be contrarian and overthinking. On 1 hand, he says the 3-4 gives you more options but on the other, he says that offenses are more specialized these days with more formations etc. Well if that's the case, wouldn't more options in the 3-4 be best? He should know better. The crux of any scheme boils down to personnel & talent & the reality of it is he's found it harder to find that top 3-4 in-the-box talent that made his schemes successful b/c everyone else is now snagging it all up.

    Lol at Lawrence Taylor being used as some sort of proof of anything. Uh, That's LT dude, a once in a generation talent the normal anything goes out the window with him.
     
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    he was mic'd up for a full year and I don't like the guy(not a pats fan one bit), but it would be interesting to see him work behind the scenes
     
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    Twelve years ago, only two NFL teams — Pittsburgh and Buffalo — were using the 3-4 as their base defense, but Belichick long had been both an advocate of it and an innovator with it during his years as defensive coordinator of the New York Giants.

    Buffalo had Wade Phillips as their head coach then, so they ran his version of the 3-4.

    Pittsburgh was still running the Dick Lebeau version of the 3-4.

    New England had Pete Carroll as their head coach and he ran the 4-3 Under. The following season Bill Belichick was hired and he installed the Fairbanks-Bullough version of the 3-4.

    Those are all 3 variants of the 3-4 in use in the NFL.
     
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