Beerlover Texans 08 Mock Draft

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  1. beerlover

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    well just noticed Lance beat me to it, even did similar layout go figure anyway here is mine, compare the two if you like, or not :thinking:

    Killing time until the combine, so post Senior Bowl, here are my projected picks for the Texans Fans here on this board to review. added a couple extra options in case unavailable, alright go ahead & flame me


    1st. Leodis McKelvin, 5-10 190 Troy

    A true press corner with smooth back peddle & suddeness out of breaks, excellent recovery speed & top rated return skills. only negative are his hands, but does break-up passes & is a sure tackler who can be left on island with WR. This is a must with Dunta Robinson out, best fit for Texans but may be gone by #18 which would mean that Mike Jenkins falls, another option here.

    1a. Chris Williams, OT 6-6 320 Vanderbilt

    Really have not seen enough of him, just the Senior Bowl & pratices but moves very well in space for a man his size so he might be a fit for Gibbs zbs. To address LT its gonna be difficult to wait until the 3rd rd. the Texans almost have to select one in the 1st assuming their cb is off the board & they are unable to trade down. I'm not going to worry about bpa in this scenero given the fact if Gibbs feels he can coach the prospect up to a very high level, his real value will most likey exceed his draft position anyways.

    1b. Rashard Mendenhall, RB 5-11 210 Illinois

    Franchise back plain & simple. do the Texans have to get one to be effective? probably not but what a luxury to have, not a Cadillac soft ride more of a Range Rover that runs over & through impediments. would consider Jonathan Stewart too but expect him to be already selected by #18.

    3rd. Roy Schuening, RG 6-4 308 Oregon State

    Smart, good teqnique for zbs, use of hands & footwork. bit of a nasty demenor. Weary will be recovering along with Spencer from broken tibias. the Texans will attempt to address this need via free agency. Chris White is also rehabing, Studdard faltered when needed & Mike Brisiel finished the season as the starter a long was from starting as an undrafted free agent. pencil Roy in as the starter from day one.

    3a. Matt Forte, RB 6-1 220 Tulane

    If the Texans do not select a RB in round one look for them to take the best available here in the 3rd rd. who fits the zbs, one cut, see the hole & runs downhill. Anyone expect much, besides the Texans regarding Ahmen Green? if he can contribute great, bonus. Ron Dayne will finish his career with the Texans but he needs to have a successor in the power running game. Chris Taylor missed the entire 07 season its going to be difficult for him to come back lacking experience anyways. Darius Walker is insurance, for now hope he works hard this offseason.

    3b. Chevis Jackson, CB 5-11 190 LSU

    Good football instincts, athletic enough in space, reads well & can play press corner w/help over the top. Even if the Texans select a cb in the 1st rd. they would be tempted to take another one to develop like Bennett last year. there should still be several other options here, like Thomas DeCoud, Cal or Patrick Lee, Auburn.

    4. Oniel Cousins, OT/OG 6-4 300 UTEP

    Naturally strong, raw with attitude who needs a coach like Gibbs to bring out his best. OL reinforcement, could start @ RG depending on IR status of Texans & swing outside if needed once he adjusts to the speed of the game & refines his technique.

    4a. Jordy Nelson, WR 6-3 215 Kansas State

    Fell in love with his game @ the Senior Bowl. instinctive route runner who adjusts & helps the QB when in trouble. excellent hands, catches everything from across the middle to deep routes to red zone. carbon copy of Kevin Walters now & will only improve in this system giving the opportunity to play. would see significant time as a rookie.

    4b. Jordon Dizon, OLB 6-0 230 Colorado

    Smart, intelligent blue collar worker on the field who keeps playing. keeps good position in passing situations & sure tackler in the open field. can also find the open lane in blitz packages, would add depth to the LB's.

    5. Darnell Terrell, CB 6-2 200 Missouri

    Notice a trend, also the pointing out cb can be addressed in other rounds besides the 1st or 3rd. Notice his the size could end up @ FS, has excellent speed (4.4 range) I like corners who are physical & can tackle.


    5a. James McClinton, DT 6-0 290 Kansas

    Have to mention a Jay Hawk with a Tiger on the clock or ytf will kill me. seriously he is an impressive inside tackle that we could use next to Amobi, a little undersized but has a high motor & will fight for inside position alot like Amobi bringing pocket pressure on 2nd & 3rd effort. Travis Johnson is not long for the Texans unless he can be mentored by Rhodes.

    5b. Jacob Hester, RB 5-11 230 LSU

    Another LSU player, actually you could draft one every round & come out of it pretty sweet. everyones favorite, great work ethic, team first attitude & understanding of every facet of the offense. would be a valued player in a Gibbs system, would take him here if still on the board even if already drafted a RB.

    6. Fernando Velasco, C 6-3 315 Georgia

    The Bulldogs made a living running the ball, something Gibbs intends to do. while I'm not impressed with the top centers in this draft this guy can flat out drive block with the best. big, wide body not the best athlete but demonstrated excellent leadership working the blocking assignments for basicly an all freshman line that improved each week becoming one the the premier run blocking lines in the country. can also play guard if needed/

    6a. Jeremy Geathers, DE 6-2 248 UNLV

    Need to add speed rushing end for the right side as situational player. This is a position I'm almost certain the Texans address in FA. still with established NFL player added, Geathers whose whole family practicaly plays or has played in the NFL would be excellent to develop on the practice squad, you just never know.

    6b. Anthony Alridge, WR 5-9 174 Houston

    Why not take a local kid, at least it would be good media relations & listen the kid has speed (4.3) come into games to stretch the field at least & give the starter a breather. he is worth a 6th rd. pick & has stated his desire to play for the Texans.

    7. Demetrius Bell, OT 6-5 283 Northwestern State

    A project but is a converted TE, good athlete with upside to develop.

    7a. Taylor Mehlhaff, K 5-10 185 Wisconsin

    Need a kicker to develop, back-up Kris Brown or take over kick-off duties has exceptionally strong leg to drive the ball deep or out of the endzone.

    7b. Paul Smith, QB 6-1 200 Tulsa

    Finish things up with a QB that no mock draft would be complete without. coaches son, excellent understanding of the game I assume he will be very adept at carrying a clipboard.
     
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    Nice work.
     
  3. beerlover

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    the 1st & 3rd picks need to translate into starters. its alot easier to project the 1st rd. over the later rounds but I guess thats half the fun. Dont' know how involved Gibbs is in the process thats only a guess @ this point but since Kubes was heavily influenced by him & Rick comes from the Denver system I would expect them to be on the same page.

    1st- having a real hard time locking in on a tackle in the first rd. Chris looks like he could play the position @ the next level but he has shortcomings (arm length for one) as does Sam Baker. the only cb I'm willing to use the 18th selection on (McKelvin) is ascending too quickly to still be on the board, still I hope. I really like Cromartie next but do you use the 18th pick on a young man who needs to build his body up to sustain NFL punishment over 16+ games, thats just a huge risk to take. so I have a feeling the pick will be Rashard Mendenhall.

    3rd- after you addressed RB in the 1st you need to get a CB. Chevis Jackson, CB LSU may not have the quick back peddle or speed of the elite cb's but he knows how to defend & play the game. very smart & has matched up in practice against NFL talent for years, he's a hard worker & should be ready to start sometime his rookie season as needed.

    4th- as posted here you take a shot at Cousins knowing full well he needs to develop his game, watch & learn from Ephraim Salaam. I'm not willing to use the 3rd pick on him when the pressing need is at CB.

    5th- if the Texans have succeeded in addressing RB, CB & OT any position of need is fair game & the reason James McClinton, DT 6-0 290 Kansas was choosen. Not just a space eater but another athletic, high motor interior linemen that can push in the pocket & cause mis-matches with his speed.

    6th- RB, CB, OT & DT addressed why not the best available DE or Center? take your choice, they need the DE & Gaithers could be a steal has great speed & instincts, while the status of all the Centers already on the roster will need to be evaluated to understand better the need. so without having access to that information I'll opt for the DE.

    7th- RB, CB, OT, DT & DE addressed whats left LB, FS? surely the Texans can & will address some needs via free agency. thats why all the picks in the 7th should be developmental & mere practice squad fodder at least for a couple years.
     
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    I'm not impressed with Chris Williams I watched him during the Senior Bowl and he looked like a 2nd or 3rd round pick I didn't see anything special from him at all. I think that if CB Leodis Mckelvin falls then he is pick after that I think it will be either Johnathon Smith or Rashard Mendenhall who I think will fall to 18.
     
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    Good stuff BL !
     
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    I'm not sold on Chris either, but he is an option. I beleive Maycock had him projected as a 1st rd. prospect taken in the 15-20 range. for the time being I was willing to accept his opinion, however is Williams as good of Left Tackle prospect as Joe Staley was last year? I don't think so & he was taken with the 28th pick (that move down to select Joe cost the 49ers their 08 1st rd. pick which is #7). The one thing people like about Chris is he seems natural @ the position & able to wall off speed rushers using quick feet (remember Levi had nimble feet, with a nasty streak) so let's call it the 'Levi effect' where your addressing need & convincing yourself his value is higher than reality dictates.

    I'm really more on the Gosder Cherilus bandwagon, but everyone has him as a RT. practiced at the Senior Bowl both LT & RT but only played in the game @ RT. I know why because he struggles against the speed rushers, whoopie do, maybe he does but what if its just a technique thing? so he's not natural at walling off the edge like Chris if he learns better hand position & keeps them elevated instead of dropping to his side there is no way anyone gets around him, he has almost a 36" arm length with giant hands 11 1/2" a four inch advantage over Williams & Baker. most importantly Cherilus has the type of attitude (like Levi) nasty disposition you look for in a franchise tackle. If the Texans want to get tougher then this is a better route, Gibbs can work out the positioning in OTA's & training camp.
     
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    I like Otah over Williams and Baker. I know he isn't ideal for a Gibbs system and may not drop to us but there was a comment in Lance Z.'s blog that made sense to me. You want an LT to block and protect for your QB first and foremost, run blocking is just an added bonus.
     
  8. beerlover

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    can't argue with that. have not seen enough of Otah, my damn satelite was malfunctioning when Pitt played West Virginia & could not record multiple games, but from my limited viewing he was just too big for the College boys to handle. does not move as well as Gosder in space, don't know why he wasn't in Mobile? Otah allowed 8.5 sacks which grades out to 67% his Senior year @ Pitt. played his best last two games of the season not allowing any.
     


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    Otah is generally rated higher than Williams & Baker plus his upside is thought
    to be huge, according to some reports I've seen by Draft analysts.
    "Pittsburgh OLT Jeff Otah may have as much upside as any player in the draft."
    http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2007/positionrptOL.htm
    But after watching the Senior-Bowl I'm left with mixed feelings about Baker. He clearly is a natural ZB who's very athletic, very quick feet who moves surprisingly easy for an Olineman, almost in a effortless manner. So there's not
    much doubt he's an excellent ZB prospect, its just a question if he has the physical atributes (arm-length mainly), to be an effective LT pass defender ?
    If not he's gonna play guard because as mainly a fineses guy, he's not physical enough to be a RT.
     
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    not that I'm of professional opinion (more like a reflection of one) however on my latest draft board Otah is #18, Chris Williams #24 & Sam Baker #30.
     
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    I like Baker a lot but I'm thinkng more and more he is exactly like Erick Winston. I do not see the upgrade with that pick ? Give us two athletic guys for sure.

    Teach the kid the kid slide, I garauntee he will be something special. He's very raw. But he's going to be good for a long time. Kick him inside and war with the DT's in our division untill you get him up to speed.

    Liked the Nelson pick. Was wondering who would post that guy first. Tweener with no position in the NFL. all he does is catch the dang thing. Good coach will find a way to make the guy work.
     
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    what about Brandon Frye? the LT the Texans drafted in the 5th rd. last year, checked out his measureables & he is almost exactly idendtical to Oneil Cousins both 6-4, both 301, both run 5.06/08 forty. really similar athletic tackles in College who may wind up kicking inside. I'm not even sure what happen'ed to Frye during this past season, on the active roster the last few weeks & must have missed him, but at least he does have one year under his belt along with new coaching coming in to assess his future role/status. So I'm guessing alot will be riding on that evaluation in regards to drafting another tweener, athletic tackle on the 2nd day.

    I like him more than alot of 1st rd. wr's who have flopped in the NFL. the kid is a player & would fit Kubiaks system to a tee. once again though he is a carbon copy of a player already on the Texans, Kevin Walters both 6-3 215.
     
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    Nelson also has very good speed. He is a vertical threat as well.
     
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    I like Dizon a lot, but his size is a huge concern. His leadership and ability to make the calls is his biggest strength, but that overlaps with Ryans already. Would you feel comfortable potentially moving Dizon over to WILL? I don't know if he has speed to cover the outside, but I think he is better suited for the WILL role in the NFL than the MIKE role. However, he has played MIKE quite well at Colorado.
     
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    WILL would be his position on this team & immediate upgrade IMO.
     
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    Dizon is all about instincts, but his size is just too much for me. Maybe he will get some time at WILL in the NFL, but he isn't big enough to play Mike. You've got to be able to take on guards on almost every play from the Mike spot. Not sure 5-11 222 is going to cut it.
     
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    This is more towards how I was leaning, but I don't know if he has the sideline speed needed for the position. Greenwood actually has pretty good speed for a WILL in the NFL while also having better size. I don't think Greenwood is the answer, but I don't know if Dizon is able to uproot him until he leaves on his own accord.
     
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    I heard similar arguements about Maurice Jones Drew & all he does is eat DT's for lunch :fridge:
     
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    But Jones-Drew has something like 38" thighs. Bigger than my damn waist. Plus his upper body is thick as well. Dizon actually looks quite small. Jones-Drew looks like one of those box Scion cars. Low to the ground, but a freakin load.
     
  20. beerlover

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    I was thinking more along these lines: its not the size of the dog that matters but the size of the fight in the dog that matters most :club:
     

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