Beerlover Pre-Combine Mock

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  1. beerlover

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    1) Detroit 0-16 .Andre Smith LG 6-4 340 Alabama
    Proto-typical NFL size, strength & athletic ability to lock down inside protection for QB & run lanes for balanced attack. they also need to address RG but will do so later on 2nd day. entire new direction for organization w/new GM Mayhew & James Harris player director of personel from Jacksonville along with Lenehan former Rams HC all know the value of franshicse type OL.

    2) St. Louis 2-14 Jason Smith, OT Baylor 6-5 300

    Struggled more with this pick even though I know they take a LT, the question is by draft day which OT grades out #1? Smith just seems like the ascending talent in this draft for LT position. He is not a drop anchor type but more athletic gifted package of pass blocking & run blocking. Since this is pre-combine Mock I think he will distinguish himself with better speed & conditiong while improving his strength.

    3) Kansas City 2-14 Eugene Monroe, OT Virginia 6-5 315

    This reunites former Virginia Cavaliers offensive line mates & opens several options. I feel before addressing their QB position this line needs to solidify & invest the appropriate talent neccesary to once again be a dominant force.

    4) Seattle Seahawks 4-12 Michael Oher, OT Mississippi 6-5 320

    Hopefully Walter Jones can respond to surgery & is not done so he can mentor young, talented but raw Michael Oher. I think this is a perfect fit but I was tempted with Crabtree as well, still Hassleback must have protection & time to hit his WR's so this need has to be addressed first depsite the first four picks all being OL.

    5) Cleveland 4-12 Michael Crabtree, WR Texas Tech 6-3 214

    Crabtree could go higher, no doubt about that but Edwards has been such a huge dissapointment that covering bases & taking bpa at this point makes the most sense.

    6) Cincinnati 4-11-1 Aaron Curry, OLB Wake Forrest 6-2 246

    First defensive player off the board. playmaker with ideal size & should also be the most productive rookie in his first season with the helpless Bengals.

    7) Oakland 5-11 Michael Johnson, DE Georgia Tech 6-7 258

    With run on OT early the Raiders next biggest need is pass rushing specialist but someone big enough to hold up in run support. He is the only DE who has top 10 measureables & this is something Al Davis follows & sign off on.

    8) Jacksonville 5-11 B.J. Raji, DT Boston College 6-1 325

    Also wanting OL help but with top prospects, Smtih/Smtih, Monore & Oher off the board they try & replace Stroud to help Henderson regain that physical insdie domininace it once enjoyed.

    9) Green Bay 6-10 Brian Orakpo, DE Texas 6-4 260

    Fits need would have liked Raji if still available. Brian will have excellent workouts & shine @ the Combine, close between him & Everette but thats my call as of now.

    10) San Francisco 7-9 .Malcolm Jenkins, CB Ohio State 6-0 200

    Singletary sticks with what he knows, defense & the 49ers are lucky Malcolm is still on the board. complete skill set, excellent size the only elite cb talent in this class.

    11) Buffalo 7-9 Evertte Brown, DE Florida State 6-4 252

    Defensive line coach Bob Sanders, meanwhile, takes over for Bill Kollar. He was Green Bay's defensive coordinator the past three seasons. He's been hired to help Buffalo's pass rush and Buffalo will be paying close attention to DE prospects like Texas' Brian Orakpo, Florida State's Everette Brown, so it boils down between those two whoever is available.

    12) Denver 8-8 Peria Jerry, DT Mississippi 6-3 300

    After BJ Raji, Jerry is the next best DL prospect of the draft. Brings high energy to mile high city were he'll need that extra lung capacity. disruptive & penetrating unknown as of yet if they plan to switch over & play in a 3-4 if this were the case Denver may try to trade up to draft Raji who is more of a NT.

    13) Washington 8-8 Rey Maualuga, USC MLB 6-2 260

    London Fletcher is 105 this season (jk) Redskins need to address defense early & often. Rey is a leader with ready to start mesaureables/intincts & would be an excellent fit looking real comfortable as MLB for the Washington Redskins.

    14) New Orleans 8-8 Vontae Davis, CB Illinois 6-0 204

    most consider Vontae as the next best cb in this draft after Malcolm Jenkins & this has to be the Saints primary need.

    15) Chicago Bears (via Houston Texans) 9-7 Matthew Stafford, QB Georgia 6-3 236

    Chicago is too tempted & afraid to wait until they select to risk losing the #1 rated QB @ their #1 position of need. It makes too much sense both for Chicago (Jets hanging out @ #17) & Texans.

    16) San Diego 8-8 Moreno Knowshon, RB Georgia 5-11 208

    They must realize their mistake by now letting Michael Tuner walk still I don't see them paying Sproles either? they are a traditional two back system & this would be ideal for Moreno to learn from one of the best all-time.

    17 New York Jets 9-7 Mark Sanchez, QB USC 6-3 225

    Bears leapfrog Jets for Matthews leaving Sanchez on the board. very accurate arm, played @ high level in Pro-style program, lots of upside with good line in place & balanced running attack.

    18) Houston (via Chicago) 8-8 Brian Cushing, OLB USC 6-3 243

    Texans address OLB with versatile inside/out defensive playmaker who fits alongside DeMeco & over the top of Mario. Very difficult decision but as you see it opens up options, adds value plus extra pick (3rd. rd.).

    19) Tampa Bay 9-7 Jeremy Maclin, WR Missouri 6-1 200

    Could also go Percy Harvin but Maclin seems to be the higher rated speed slot wr they need in Tampa. Galloway had two broken bones in his foot and missed half the season. It's uncertain whether he will return for a fifth season with the Bucs. Michael Clayton is a free agent. Bryant could be franchised. seems like really good value here.

    20 Detroit (from Dallas) 9-7 Aaron Maybin, DE/OLB 6-3 245

    Need defensive playmakers with range & youth movement starts with Maybin could be dynamic & get tested early with plenty of space to grown.

    21 Philadelphia 9-6-1 Brandon Pettigrew, TE Oklahoma State 6-6 260

    McNabb would be extremely lucky to add Pettigrew to his protection & his arsenal if he slips to Philly I can't see them not taking the best TE in years.

    22 Minnesota 10-6 D.J. Moore, CB Vanderbilt 5-10 184

    Vikings should not reach for a QB here (weak class after Stafford/Sanchez) CB however is a need you almost have to draft early & D.J. is the highest rated left on the board.& pure cover corner who can isolate on that proverbial island.

    23 New England 11-5 Larry English, OLB Northern Illinois 6-2 254

    Dynamic, ascending pass rushing 3-4 OLB who teamed with Mayo solidifies that aging Patriot defense. lots of tempting players here just have to find the best fit for their system @ a position of need.

    24 Atlanta 11-5 Clint Sintim, OLB Virginia 6-3 249

    This is a smart organization still they need help defensively with several would be free agents to resign, by draft time this will be deceided for now my guess is they will need to get younger here & fill a void left by Boley and Brooking.

    25 Miami 11-5 Max Unger Center 6-5 300

    Parcells loves these big, ugly nasty tempered offensive lineman who have ability to play mutliple positions, nice addition to last years #1 Jake Long.

    26 Baltimore 11-5 Percy Harvin, WR Florida 5-11 195

    Flacco needs somebody to throw the deep ball to & Percy has the ability none of his WR have currently on that roster the abiltiy to get behind coverage, teams will have to respect the deep ball just a little more from the 2nd year QB with the big arm to launch the rock.

    27 Indianapolis 12-4 Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina 6-1 210

    Hakeem is the next generation Marvin Harrison & lock to become another great NFL WR w/Payton. would consider inside DT help but with Harrison in fact owed some 13.4 million & lesser talent @ that position available here they may try & rework that contract or flat out release/trade.

    28) Philadelphia (from Carolina) 12-4 Chris Wells, RB Ohio State 6-1 237

    hey at least I still have him going in the first round. would be better compliment to Westbrook, providing some inside running power/size, while Correll Buckhalter is a FA.

    29) New York Giants 12-4 Kenny Britt, WR Rutgers 6-4 215

    Plaxico Burress replacement. should turn some heads @ the combine with his quickness/height combination best in class, I just can't see Coughlin not taking a hard line with Plax, otherwise seek some help on defensive side.

    30) Tennessee 13-3 Ron Brace, DT Boston College 6-3 329

    This is on the assumption of course Haynesworth leaves via free agency because Bud Adams is a tight wad & also cannot afford to re-sign what Kerry Collins can make in free agency with so many teams needing QB help (Carolina, Detroit, Tampa, Miami etc. etc, etc,) anyway I realize this is a little bit high for Ron but he does have a solid 2nd rd grade & clearly the big body to fill such a big hole in the Titans interior DL.

    31) Arizona 9-7 Eben Britton OT Arizona 6-6 310

    Gandy struggled in the Superbowl & Wanrer loves to throw a disproportional amount of time so he needs better protection, this also gives them flexabilty to move Levi to the left side. I was thinking about taking a RB here like Shonn Greene but Grimm the OL coach feel athletic upgrade is needed sooner than later & know all about the local wildcat product.

    32) Pittsburgh 12-4 Alphonso Smith, CB Wake Forrest 5-9 193

    Tough,competitive instinctive seems to fil the Steeler mold & the last of the real good quality CB's in this draft. Better prospect value than linemen still on board who the Steelers will address in upcoming rounds/FA signings/re-signings.


    Still working on Texans picks. in case anyone wondered, Texans aquire Chicago 3rd. pick by trading down three spots. go ahead & rip away :thinking:
     
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    Beerlover,
    As always I think you put together a very solid and smart draft. You have teams taking what they oughta take and not necessarily what they will. I am a big proponent of the Lions taking LT over a QB. I love the NO pick: Davis is a brilliant pick based on your draft.
    I think you did a great job overall.

    But, you are a lot like me. And you don't want to read people agreeing with you, you want to hear disagreement that fosters discussion.


    I see Unger as the #2 Center on the board. I really like Mack(as I am sure you know) and think he is the best Center to come out in a while. Mack was able to contain Raji (best DT prospect this year) whereas Unger struggled against him.

    While I get why you have MJ going to Oakland, I think he will need to have an AWESOME combine to do it. I currently have Orakpo slotted there.

    I am not sure Jerry is right for Denver. While they need just about anything on D what they really need is a stud MLB like Al Wilson. Wilson shore up the middle and made sure handed tackles. I think if the draft played out this way Denver takes Maualuga and shores up their Mike for the next 10 years. They can always grab Brace in the second.

    I also don't like the Colts taking a WR here. You might be right and they might do it, but I think they should take Alphonso Smith. They have Wayne, Clark, Gonzalez, and Addai as passing targets but have more of a pressing need in the DBs. If they really wanted a WR they could grab one in the 2nd or third. While Nicks is good, I think they would prefer to give Peyton some help on D so he doesnt have to score 35 each week.

    I like your idea for a trade, but I think we could get a fair amount more than just a 3rd to move down. With Minne, Detroit, and the Jets looking for a first round QB, I could see someone giving up a 2nd for the right to choose between Stafford and Sanchez. If that was the case we would pick 17, 18, 20 or 22. I would entertain the idea of doing a second trade and try to sell the teams with a WR need to jump back up and grab Harvin or a Nicks. I would even consider trading out of the first completely and picking up a first next year as well as an additional 2nd and 3rd + this year.

    So, thats it. As I said, overall pretty good!
    Hope this fosters some good Draft talk!
     
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    Would be surprising to see the first four picks all OT's. It's also intresting to see a "Brady Quinn" effect on Matthew Stafford if he's not chosen in the first 5 selections. I like the trade down and the Cushing selection but would also consider Sintim. Thanks for the mock!
     
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    awtysst- thanks for the words, as always appreciated!

    I choose Unger over Mack because he plays mutlitple positions well & that is something Parcells covets. I also see Mack as a pure ZBS Center one who fits perfectly here in Houston with Kubiak I just can't project him going #15 or lasting until picking again in 2nd.

    Results will follow shortly Michael Johnson combine will open some eyes, maybe not Mario Williams like numbers but above the field kind of numbers.

    Jerry is the 2nd best DT in this draft, they tend to go a little higher than they should to teams like Denver who need to address weak interior DL production. If his high motor can sustain itself even @ altitude, very quick & agile on his feet, would make a great fit in the mile high city new defensive scheme.

    I hope the Colts don't take Nicks, seriously he is better than you can possibly imagine (would love Texans to take him in the 2nd). At some point the Colts must re-tool with Dungy leaving this may be the time to restructure their salary cap while still in a position of strength (Marvin Harrisons cap hit is huge). One thing for sure is you must ensure a QB like Manning the tools to move the chains & score more points, Nicks would do this I have no doubt.

    Used the Draft Pick Value Chart 15th pick = 1050 points the 18th pick = 900. The Bears 3rd #85 worth 165 points, you do the math.

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    I was thinking the same thing. Then I looked back to last years draft when 7 went in the 1st rd. This years draft OL prospects are more tightly bunched, very concentrated @ the top. all these losing franchises need one & can't afford to wait around to develop one. they also can't afford to miss & take a chance on a boom or bust QB/WR. its a safe route I know but after this year the run on tackles thins out so get em while you can.
     
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    I don't know if Jerry is big enough to play NT in the 3-4 defense, but I've noticed the Chargers seem to always draft DT's that weigh between 290 to 300 to play DE in their 3-4. Do you think Jerry will play DE in the 3-4 or DT if drafted by one of those teams?
     
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    I don't think his strength or size hold up as a NT. He would be good as a 3-4 DE or 4-3 one gap DT. similar player to Amobi Okoye.
     
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    There are two sides up here on the Eagles picking Wells. What the Eagles are doing if they take a back high is finding Westbrook's replacement.
    Wells only had 15 catches during his time at Ohio State. I have to wonder why. Ohio State throws the ball, so why was Wells ignored? The Eagles throw the ball to the back a lot. Does the offence change from that when Wells becomes the main back? I can't see that while Reid is the coach.

    McCoy had a lot of catches at Pitt. He fits better in what they do now. The question on him is does he really want to play football. I ask this from things I have read on other boards up here about Pitt football. Some are saying that he really didn't want to leave Pitt this year, but was pushed into it by his family. Both will be used a lot behind Westbrook.

    In the mock we are doing here, I took McCoy over Wells because of the pass receptions. I wanted Pettygrew, but he never made it to me. Nicks was the other guy I wanted. I really like Andre Brown from N.C.State around the 3rd round if I could have goten the TE in the first.

    Yours is a very good mock.
     


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    Ohio St ran the ball 67% of the time on offense this year and 63% of the time last year so I wouldn't read much into it. They throw the ball less than most teams do.

    If he has problems catching the ball in drills then I would worry about putting him in that offense though.
     
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    Ask youreself this question. If we could upgrade the middle of our OL with a player that should not only start but be very very good for say the next decade, is that not worth the 15 th pick to you?
     
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    The Texans achieved this with a 6th rd. pick (traded to Denver for the rights to Chris Myers). :cricket:
     
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    Draft a guy #1 overall to play guard in the NFL ? Surely you jest B-L ?
    FWIW, ProFootballWeekley.coms Nolan Nawrocki was on LZ & John Harris's 1560 Draft-Show this past Thursday and said he has the big 'Bama Olineman dropping out of the top ten because he said Smith has some issues's, including ongoing struggles to push away from the dinner table and thereby stay fit enough to play at a high-level.
     
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    Now for the rest of the Texans picks, pre-combine-

    2). Robert Ayers, DE Tennessee 6031 273
    If still on the board. second choice Paul Kruger, DE Utah. third choice DE Jarron Gilbert. theme is to take the best available DE in the second rd.


    3a). Lawerence Sidbury, DE/OLB Richmond, 6023 265

    Love his potential, explosive smooth athletic ability can flip hips & change direction on a dime. could be developed as situational pass rusher & OLB.


    3b). Rashad Jennings, RB Liberty 6-1 234

    By trading down the Texans once again address RB this time with a power style back to compliment Steve Slaton. Good instincts, north & south runner.


    4). A.Q. Shipley, Center Penn State 6010 297 (for mussop)

    I'm upgrading Shipley grade one round, because he is also a long snapper which the Texans need since they will not resign Bryan Pittman. Also there is nobody to back-up Meyers or upgrade Meyers which ever the case may turn out to be so this pick has extra value for Texans & he should be there for the taking.


    5). Ellis Lankster, CB West Virginia 5091 191

    Also upgraded one round, trying to be realistic, great instincts, fast competitive & solid in run support could get a shot @ FS but is a solid CB.

    6). Brandon Tate, WR/KR North Carolina 6-1 195

    Playmaker who had severe season ending acl otherwise no way he is still on the board. He comes into camp 100% recovered & competes with Jacoby for WR/KR duties.


    7). Michael Bennett, DE Texas A&M 6-4 271

    If still on the board. second choice Phillip Hunt, DE Houston, third choice Nick Reed, DE Oregon. overloading position but out of this bunch the Texans should generate a much improved pass rush.


     
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    sorry I missed that show, still waiting for the podcast.........:foottap:

    actually there are several mock boards listing Andre as the top overall pick http://walterfootball.com/draftdata.php its just that I see him more of a LG as indicated from his battle @ the dinner table causing problems with speed rushers on the edge. still I don't discount the value of LG position if he is dominant as I think he will be.
     
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    Here is another option, Detroit. what would they give over the point spread from the Draft Pick Value Chart to get Stafford? that 20th pick is worth 850 while early 3rd (#65) is worth 265 = 1115 Texans #15 worth 1050. maybe offering option of bpa who slips out of 2nd?
     
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    I dunno but suspect all of those mocks have Smith listed as a "OT" ?
    But hey, its your mock and if the guy you want to draft #1 in your mock will be playing guard then more power to you.
     
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    Remember Robert Gallery?
     
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    I sure do. And the situation with Gallery kinda makes my point for me because he was drafted something like #2 or #3 overall to be the Raiders "francise" LT, yet failed to do so and instead played RT or inside at guard. Anyway, because of his inability to play the all-important position of LT for the Raiders and because he was taken so high, he's been considered one of the biggest Draft busts among OLineman in recent years.
     
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    Overall I like your draft. I might've traded a D=line pick for O=line but I like who you picked.
     
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    Kidding aside the new regime in Detroit is near silent on intentions. What has been your impressions of Detroit? remember not that long ago it seemed Texans & Lions shared a parallel path, that changed when Capers/Casserly duo was replaced with Kubiak/Smith now Detroit makes the move replacing Marinelli/Millen with Mayhew/Harris/Lenehan/Schwartz.

    soft.....dominated @ line of scrimmage......virtually no running game.......or pocket protection for QB flavor of the day......can't stop anyone defensively......etc. etc. etc.

    Before addressing QB or doing what Atlanta did last season (taking Ryan #3 then trading up to get OT) I'm thinking reverse order. one because Stafford is not Ryan two they have their pick of OT's. this is actually ideal mock draft if your a Lion fan cause as you notice they still have a shot w/Stafford @ #15 with added protection in place. Flip a coin among the group, from one rumor to the next, from Senior Bowl to Combine they constantly change spots.

    The Lions drafted Gosder Cherilus last year in the 1st to play RT & still have former 1st rd. pick LT Jeff Backus. the breakdown has been @ LG which also makes Jeff look bad, needs to be upgraded. free agent RG Stephen Peterson could also be gone. Railoa is a decent Center so if you do re-sign Peterson, filling the hole @ LG you solidify entire OL by taking Smith who makes move inside easy. that was my intention, not trying to confuse anyone but of course if he wants LT money odds are the Lions can negoiate with the next linemen on their list. I gave Smith the nod because when in the lineup Alabama was absolutely dominant the offense clicked, without him only average.
     

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