Beerlover Final Texan 2011 Mock Draft

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  1. beerlover

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    My draft partners want no part of this one but who could blame them, this draft stuff has finally pushed me over the edge :crazy: many would argue for some time now :um: but that's what makes it fun or maybe its the double bastard :wesmantexanfan:

    On a serious note, in my last mock of 2011, I've addressed as many needs as possible which I feel are critical moving forward into Wade Phillips 3-4 scheme. Adding a big proto-typical press corner, athletic pass rushing DE to convert (OLB) monster pocket run stuffer @ nose, two safeties each who will compete for starting positions @ SS & FS, depth @ OLB & ILB, replacement punter & developmental QB for Kubiak to groom.

    1. Cameron Jordan, DE, California, 6040 287 (Traded to San Diego for picks #18 & #50)

    Man Crush aside, I think the Texans use him as trade bait. He is perfect fit here or for any 3-4 team needing premier DE who can press the corner, attack the QB, filter through trash & make plays next level. I even feel he can be moved around including OLB position standing up both as edge pass rusher & in coverage. The physical attributes he inherited from his dad Steve ( Pro-Bowl TE) are undeniable, for anybody who watched him destroy blocks & force defensive players to run away from him know what I’m talking about one word describes his dad was fierce competitor I see the same things with young Cameron his personality is more his moms, but the inner drive & ability is all there.

    1A. Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado, 6022 211(via San Diego #18)

    All that will matter end of the day is fixing secondary needs & I don’t want to miss taking a prospect with such a high ceiling, despite off field issues, who could transition to the NFL as the next Darrelle Revis type of press corner. I’ve not seen his name mentioned on the Texans board but when I compare tape of him to Prince Amukamara I see a more prototypical NFL corner who has the size, athletic ability & technique to mirror the bigger & faster NFL WR's. Are there issues & risks? heck yes but despite all the warts Jimmy Smith may wind up being the premier CB in this draft, much better all-around measureable than Devin McCourty too who I had mocked to Texans last year. This is a hard pick to make, trust me, the interview session would be a critical missing ingredient I do not have access to but all accounts suggest he’s cleaned up his act & is ready to become a serious pro moving forward.

    2A. Jabaal Sheard, OLB, Pittsburgh, 6027 264

    Really wanted Brooks Reed, ready to pull the trigger if he falls past the 1st but doubt he gets by all those 3-4 teams who need OLB help/fortification. Sheard background checks have cleared (which should satisfy Texans FO). Ideal size for DE to project as a 3-4 OLB in the NFL. Natural pass rusher who can bend & skim the edge showing flexibility needed to take the angles getting to QB’s. Has longer arms than Brooks (33 ½”) same size & speed). Good production numbers @ Pitt too, had 9 sacks & 14.5 TKL both numbers higher than Brooks. Sneaky, under-rated, intense, quick edge rusher.

    2B. DeAndre McDaniel, SS, Clemson, 6001 217 (via San Diego #50)

    Like Pollard, Aggressive & competitive on film, strong in run support & communication with peers. Physically & mentally tough, in short a man who is ready to step in the league & contribute day one which is something Texans will need especially with a shortened training camp/pre-season with CBA lockout. Much better in coverage than Pollard, able to read & react because hips are more fluid, slightly better speed as well.

    3. Ellis Kenrick, NT, Hampton, 6047 346

    Texans can solidify their future middle (NT/NG) needs by developing Ellis a raw, athletic big man who can push the pocket inward, has plenty of sand in his pants. Struggles with technique but believe Wade & staff can turn him into one hell of a starting 3-4 nose tackle. Over 35” arm length & big hands for position.

    4. Chris Culliver, FS, South Carolina 6003 199

    Opened eyes with a 4.40 & is one of the prospects Texans actually brought in to take another look at. FS is obviously a need both starting & back-up roles even if Glover Quinn makes the transition from Cornerback. Based on game film he is a late 3rd to mid 4th round FS prospect but does have injury history that is a concern which should drop his stock into the 5th rd. missed a lot of action senior season. Actually his best year was 2008 (3 int’s) average around 60 tackles (exception senior year with loss time) but like his ability to close & cover-up corners with good range. Not the answer but solid return with some ability to compete with better speed in a slow Texans secondary.

    5. Bruce Miller, OLB, Central Florida, 6014 254

    High motor, blue collar work ethic, extremely strong upper body, recorded 42 reps at 225 lbs., adds much needed depth in pass rushing skills. Situational pass rusher, special teams standout, giving Texans a nice pair of young OLB’s to go along with young pair of young CB’s (Smith & Jackson). Excellent instincts, doesn’t stay blocked. Two-time USA Defensive Player of the Year. Tremendous production in his four year career (34 sacks, 3 INT’ & 6 forced fumbles). Impressive 42 reps in the weight room, situational pass rusher and special teams contributor. We feel despite his slower than expected forty time of 4.85 (which is reason he drops this far) his actual football speed is much faster dues to natural instincts & pass rushing skills.

    6. Michael Mohamed, ILB, California, 6030 239

    Has experience running the 3-4 defense @ California (w/Cameron Jordan) see him as quick study & solid foundation/depth piece( can swing inside or outside). Smart/aware player smaller & quicker than what Texans currently have on roster to help solidify roster transition to 3-4 which cannot be undervalued. Team leader (Cal) in tackles with 96 very productive in short simple terms dude is a Football Player who is a system fit.

    7A. Aaron Bates, Punter, Michigan State, 6000 200

    Matt Turk is facing retirement, this is a must need/replacement so why not select your #1 rated player in the draft @ a position of need even if Punters are not considered Football Players, special teams, last I checked are still important facets of the game. Solid guy both on & off the field no character issues here, excellent ball placement skills inside the 20 with good power & was elected Spartan team captain.

    7B. Mr. Irrelevant- Scott Tolzien, QB, Wisconsin, 6020 209

    Not another TE from Wisconsin but he is the QB who threw to those TE’s (post Owen Daniels) so give me high marks OK. Kubiak loves the Badger offense almost as much as Colorado State. Scott is his typical play action, smart, system QB who also has a very accurate arm, something people seem to be missing when they evaluate position.
     
  2. DocBar

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    Meh...this has as much chance as the 5,000,000,000.01 other mock drafts out there. :)
     
  3. DocBar

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    The .01 is my personal mock that iosn't worth publishing. :)
    Hell, it isn't even worth my .02!!
     
  4. Lucky

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    Without a CBA, players cannot be traded. Thus, a team cannot trade a player that they have already drafted. They can trade the pick prior to using it. Therefore, the Texans could not draft Jordan and trade him to San Diego. But, they could move the 11th pick for the Chargers picks at 18 & 50.
     
  5. awtysst

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    I think that only pertains to signed players, since signed players are part of the decertified union. Since the rookies are unsigned, I believe they CAN be traded.
     
  6. beerlover

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    typical Lucky, he misses the point: point being Texans come so close to finally picking "my guy" then twist the rope tightly around my neck :choke: then pull the trade down with the Chargers (who have a track record for targeting a player & trading up to acquire him). I do stand behind my draft evaluations, I'm just preparing for another Day One Draft surprise :flowers:
     
  7. Lucky

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    Nope.

    That's not what you typed. You had the Texans trading Jordan for the 18th and 50th picks. Maybe that's what you meant and it was poorly worded.
     
  8. awtysst

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    First of all, I love the idea of the trade down.

    1. Wow! That is a very brave choice. He has great measurables, but he also has major red flag issues. He tested positive for drugs in college (so I think he automatically goes into the NFL sub abuse program and the next failed drug test means suspension). However, what concerns me more than the failed drug test is that supposedly the way he talked about it at the Combine was poor. He took a "its not my fault" attitude rather than manning up and showing the steps he has taken to not do that again. To me, that is akin to him getting beat a few times and saying, eh, its not my fault vs manning up admitting fault and finding ways to get better. To me this is a classic High Risk/High Reward player.

    2a. I like Jab. Good hard working, prospect. He needs some work at dropping into coverage, but a great OLB prospect. Some character issues in throwing a guy threw a window.

    2b. Great selection! I like DD. He has a minor character issue as he was arrested for assault in 2008, but he would be an ideal S for Wade.

    3. Another guy with character conscerns. BL, are you trying to turn the Texans into the Bungels?! Seriously man, four picks all with character issues?! I like the player and the pick, but maturity issues abound as he was dismissed from Spurrier's SC program. I would take him you didn't have Smith as the #1 pick. Too many red flags for me.

    4.Good player, but I see him more as a CB than FS. He is not a good enough tackler as a saftey. With a CB, you can use the sideline as an extra defender, not so much with saftey.

    5. LOVE IT! I love mid round situational pass rushers. High motor guys always get it done!

    6. Good find. I forgot about him, but he would be an excellent piece to have. Very smart, heady, kind of player. I'd like to see him put a little weight on though, as a 3-4 ILB needs a little more bulk than 239.

    7. Hard to argue with a need for a new punter. I don't know anything about the punter class, so I will defer to you here.

    Mr. Irrelevant: Cabn sell play action, nice fast release, and is accurate. Would be a great career backup. Well done!

    I like your effort, though am a bit concerned with a a lot of red flags for the first 4 selections. Taking 1 guy with character concerns is one thing, taking 4 with your first 4 picks may have us seeing red down the line.
     


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    Thanks for educating me. I stand corrected. Texans could trade 11 for 18/50 though as you pointed out.
     
  10. kiwitexansfan

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    To be honest I struggle to take trade down mock seriously because it is wishlisting wishlisting.

    A normal mock is pie in the sky but adding the extra unlikelihood of a trade down makes it worse.

    As for the picks they are all good selection for our team.
     
  11. beerlover

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    Is this better, Texans trade the 11th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft to the San Diego Chargers for the 18th & 50th overall selections?
     
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    1. I like the Smith pick, if we can keep his head out of his ass, so much potential and yet so stupid.

    2. Sheard, I don't know much about this guy but I know enough to trust you.

    2. McDaniels-I love this pick, instantly improves our SS position.

    3. Ellis, you got his name backwards. I like the size but worry a little about his height at 6'05" and level of competition he's faced. I'd go for Jarvis Jenkins, Jerrell Powe, or Sione Fua here.

    4. Culliver, I like the pick, we need depth in the secondary badly.

    5. Miller, I don't know anything about him either, seems a little small at 6'01" especially in the 3-4. He could get killed by O-linemen.

    6. Mohamed, I love this pick. I've had him in a couple of my mocks as well and feel that he has great size, decent speed, and experience in the 3-4. Should be great depth to the LB corp.

    7. Bates, I don't know anything about him but it's a much needed position to fill.

    7. Tolzien, I don't know anything about him but it's very plausible and I'll trust you.

    Overall good job, I'd be very happy.
     
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  13. Hottoddie

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    I like your concept of trading down in this scenario. I've been intrigued by Smith lately & wouldn't mind taking him if he can get his head on straight. He could very well turn out to be the best CB in this draft.

    I like this pick & it fills a big hole on our roster.

    This is the first one I disagree with. I would take Quinton Carter here due to his ability to play both FS/SS positions. He gives us more flexibility going into free agency to pursue either a FS or SS knowing that he can fill the other position. I guess it's becoming painfully obvious that I have a man crush on Carter.

    Great pick here. I believe he fills a huge hole for us during our transition to the 3-4.

    Another solid pick. He could develop into a CB down the road much like Asomugha did and if we're lucky, he might be as good. He also is a very good kick returner & should be able to contribute on special teams right away.

    He sounds good. I'll default to your opinion of him since I'm not real familiar with him.

    You're definitely addressing our needs at the linebacking position. I'm not familiar with this guy. Does he have the frame to put on more weight without losing any speed?

    While I see your argument for taking a punter here, I'm of the opinion that you don't spend a draft pick on one. I'd rather look for some depth on the offensive line.

    Interesting prospect. Does this mean we can give up on the Orlovsky experiment? Great draft overall.
     
  14. beerlover

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    excellent feedback, thanks!
     
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    I knew the Jimmy Smith pick would go down hard but here is the reasoning. Kareem needs a complimentary running mate to lock down the outside corners. Jimmy has much better speed of the two (4.42) plus size so he takes the other teams #1 & believe me has that type of mindset. Which allows Kareem to simplify his task concentrating on #2.

    Notice I added two safeties with Quinn sliding over to help. McDaniel is a direct replacement for Bernard Pollard, as of this moment Texans do not have a starting caliber SS. He is a proven commodity in the ACC & brings the same physical presence we're losing in Pollard, yet with better coverage skills, plus he is a plug & start guy day one which is what the Texans need without FA to address needs. Yes Culliver could fill in some nickle corner reps but I see him as depth behind Glover & special teams player until he develops by staying healthy oppossed to Molden. I think he will have a tough job to beat out both Nolan & Barber but at least Texans take BPA here @ a position of need.

    Wade you got to stand up man & make your case for a proto-typical nose tackle, who has the size & girth to be an elite run stuffer, that's something we've never enjoyed especially when Capers was here & ran the 3-4, Seth Payne could never stay healthy, which concerns me about Earl too. It's imperative this time around the Texans have enough talent & depth to last through a season. Gone are those days when the frontline player goes down & they have to insert _____________said scrub player. We need playmakers all positions plus depth to compete against the big boys.

    Depth is key to run the 3-4 with linebackers too. DeMeco should return to full strength but I would like to minimize his reps along his rehab process plus build for the future. LB is probably the quickest payback of any position & since the Texans let Diles & Bentley go a resurgence of youth who fit Wade Phillips scheme seems appropriate. Anyone sold on Cushing being a inside linebacker is this the reason why the Texans selected him over Clay Matthews, keep it tuned we will see.

    Why even bother drafting a punter or QB in the 7th the odds are astronomical that they even have a sliver of a chance. Well its half true, at least with the punter we know we need one & need him now so why not take the best of the lot who fits this teams chemistry & locker room while filling a special teams need? As far as the QB goes who knows? I was high, yes I'll admit it on Alex Brink, cause he went to the same High School? maybe, but more than anything I trust Gary Kubiak to identify & develop a QB. For him a guy who can read & run the play-book, execute the throws with accuracy & not turn the ball over as someone interesting to take a look at developing , Wisconsin runs a similar offensive set & he would blend in seamlessly without a high pick investment like some teams in dire need of QB help are bound to do.

    Overall I'm very happy with this draft one because it fills a lot of needs, two with very good prospects & three is very realistic despite the trade down option. Thank You for all your feedback & enjoy it's about to be Christmas time in April :wesmantexanfan:
     
  16. pbat488

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    I like the draft though I don't see the Texans going for it with all the character flags brought up as others have pointed out. I think Smith will be a great player in the league if he matures on and off the field.

    Also, McDaniel's a Clemson grad meaning ACC, not SEC.
     
  17. beerlover

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    thanks, pbat. This is a difficult topic, we all know how careful Texans treat off field issues along with character concerns. As a draft evaluator I just see a kid who can play, he is an elite play-maker @ a position of need just waiting to strut his stuff & get paid, on a national football league stage. This is truly something the Texans have shy'ed away from but something they desperately need, a real play-maker in the secondary which in turn, I'm hoping would tie up all the loose ends.
     
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    Just a quick update where players are slotted from a Bleecher Mock draft that came out today. Funny both picks are projected to Jacksonville, guess besides sharing division they also share similar needs as Texans.

     
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    I don't know the source but the Mighty Quin is reporting there are rumors Texans are in love with Patrick Peterson, which I kinda thought they would be but they would have to trade a lot to move up & get him. In my mock I have a similar player, same position & adding a pick. your choice what would you do?
     
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    To get Peterson we would have to trade up to #2. Because Buffalo isn't trading down. They will take either Newton or Miller. Maybe Cincinnati would trade down at #4. But I think they want either Green or Jones, and they would risk losing both of them.
     

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